flagging : Is it unethical or part of the game
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Flagging is okay to do and if you find it annoying play 3+2 instead
rishabh11great wrote:
flagging is unfair i hate it . its so stupid
Feb 16, 2024
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#205
Flagging is just a part of the game, not good, not bad, just a part of the game.
Flag the necro please
this whole discussion is clickbait. the answer is obvious.
yes
Don't play speed chess if you're going to whine about flagging.
That's like jumping into a knife fight and shouting "No fair!" if you get stabbed.
Apr 6, 2024
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#210
MaetsNori wrote:
Don't play speed chess if you're going to whine about flagging.
That's like jumping into a knife fight and shouting "No fair!" if you get stabbed.
Excellent point
Apr 6, 2024
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#211
Former World Chess Champion Aleksandr Alekhine once said that "a chess player who complains that he only lost the game because his clock ran out, is as much at fault as a motorist who complains that they only had a road accident because they were drunk".
In addition to being a world-class chess player, Alekhine was also a world-class drunkard.
Just sayin'.
If I am playing against a higher rated player and I have a totally lost position then I will offer a draw before I start my flagging strategy. Not only does it feel good when they accept it so early on, it feels so much better and it’s so funny when they flag after refusing the draw. Totally worth it either way!!
Its just part of the game, if you don't like it then just play with a longer time??
@224
"Its just part of the game, if you don't like it then just play with a longer time??"
++ Play with increment.
Bruse84 wrote:
continuedkrombopulos22 ha scritto:
Its just part of the game, if you don't like it then just play with a longer time??
That's the typical answer of a flagger. I add: a flagger who hasn't read my 3 (not 10000, just 3) contributions.
I want to play bullet. full stop. But I want to PLAY, which means do reasonable moves in a shorter time. I want to see who is able, between me and my opponentto, to do good with only few seconds . I don't wanna play to who moves faster but random. Again: I saw players do the same moves 8 times in a row, as preset, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth just to gain 10 seconds and winning on the clock. Is this chess? Is this speed chess? Spoiler: the anwer is "NO" to both the questions.
If in an (almost) balanced position, you win because of the time, it's fine. You do the same I do but quicker: it shows you really are a better player. Simple and fair.
What I cannot accept are the "players" who don't try either to play. And it's full of them. And all of them answer as you did: "choose a longer time"... No my friend, I should not be forced to change my championship because you think that playing bullet is only a matter of time, without considering the brain challange.
That just means that your opponents are better, they can make moves in a shorter time before you. When I get flagged, I don't complain. Also, a minute is way more than enough to checkmate your opponent, especially a flagger.
Bruse84 wrote:
continuedkrombopulos22 ha scritto:
Bruse84 wrote:
continuedkrombopulos22 ha scritto:
Its just part of the game, if you don't like it then just play with a longer time??
That's the typical answer of a flagger. I add: a flagger who hasn't read my 3 (not 10000, just 3) contributions.
I want to play bullet. full stop. But I want to PLAY, which means do reasonable moves in a shorter time. I want to see who is able, between me and my opponentto, to do good with only few seconds . I don't wanna play to who moves faster but random. Again: I saw players do the same moves 8 times in a row, as preset, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth just to gain 10 seconds and winning on the clock. Is this chess? Is this speed chess? Spoiler: the anwer is "NO" to both the questions.
If in an (almost) balanced position, you win because of the time, it's fine. You do the same I do but quicker: it shows you really are a better player. Simple and fair.
What I cannot accept are the "players" who don't try either to play. And it's full of them. And all of them answer as you did: "choose a longer time"... No my friend, I should not be forced to change my championship because you think that playing bullet is only a matter of time, without considering the brain challange.
That just means that your opponents are better, they can make moves in a shorter time before you. When I get flagged, I don't complain. Also, a minute is way more than enough to checkmate your opponent, especially a flagger.
You must forgive me... I will NEVER consider better than me who moves random.
If you think so, I feel sorry for you because you don't understand the intimate meaning of chess and in this case will be useless to discuss, as a "flagger", you will always pretend that winning by flagging has the same value, and as a "player" I will always consider fair a victory by checkmate or by time as long as it is not from a clear loosing position (e.g M1/M2 or under of 5 points in the bar rate)
If somebody consistently beats you by making random moves then he is definitely better than you in this time control. To make it more more clear let me put it differently - you are a weaker player than him because you are unable to punish his inferior moves within the rules.
May 6, 2024
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#217
Bruse84 wrote:
GabeMiami10 ha scritto:
223. Exactly some cultures can't accept a lost, even of they lose on time. In bullet its going to happen. I've had games where I'm up 20pts of material then lose on time and my opponent has 1 pawn. I've also had games, where my opponent was 20pts of material and I forcibly flag them. It's going to happen to me, it's going to happen to you.
Nobody is stating that it's cheating or that it does not happen. The discussion is about the "ethical" part.
I am saying this as someone who generally plays 60|0 games where the clock is still a factor, but is less of a factor than most other time controls (especially those that you are mostly playing). Flagging is part of the game, and completely fair. I don't like it when it happens, but it is what it is. If it happens to me - my fault.
With respect, you played 3 000 bullet games. Such games are almost never won by chess skill. Bullet is something where time is pretty much always the deciding factor.
Plus, you played a lot of 5|0 games, I see 12 000 blitz games, even if some have the increment, that is speed chess, where time is still a very big factor.
I mean it is in the names - speed chess, blitz, bullet - so it is kind of revealing that playing fast is very important.
Bruse84 wrote:
uri65 ha scritto:
Bruse84 wrote:
continuedkrombopulos22 ha scritto:
Bruse84 wrote:
continuedkrombopulos22 ha scritto:
Its just part of the game, if you don't like it then just play with a longer time??
That's the typical answer of a flagger. I add: a flagger who hasn't read my 3 (not 10000, just 3) contributions.
I want to play bullet. full stop. But I want to PLAY, which means do reasonable moves in a shorter time. I want to see who is able, between me and my opponentto, to do good with only few seconds . I don't wanna play to who moves faster but random. Again: I saw players do the same moves 8 times in a row, as preset, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth just to gain 10 seconds and winning on the clock. Is this chess? Is this speed chess? Spoiler: the anwer is "NO" to both the questions.
If in an (almost) balanced position, you win because of the time, it's fine. You do the same I do but quicker: it shows you really are a better player. Simple and fair.
What I cannot accept are the "players" who don't try either to play. And it's full of them. And all of them answer as you did: "choose a longer time"... No my friend, I should not be forced to change my championship because you think that playing bullet is only a matter of time, without considering the brain challange.
That just means that your opponents are better, they can make moves in a shorter time before you. When I get flagged, I don't complain. Also, a minute is way more than enough to checkmate your opponent, especially a flagger.
You must forgive me... I will NEVER consider better than me who moves random.
If you think so, I feel sorry for you because you don't understand the intimate meaning of chess and in this case will be useless to discuss, as a "flagger", you will always pretend that winning by flagging has the same value, and as a "player" I will always consider fair a victory by checkmate or by time as long as it is not from a clear loosing position (e.g M1/M2 or under of 5 points in the bar rate)
If somebody consistently beats you by making random moves then he is definitely better than you in this time control. To make it more more clear let me put it differently - you are a weaker player than him because you are unable to punish his inferior moves within the rules.
what a poor vision...
My vision is supported by chess rules. Those "random" move players who beat you regularly will have higher ratings, better tournament results etc.
May 6, 2024
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#219
Speed is part of the game (expecially in bullet and blitz), flagging is different: flagging is widthdawn from playing just to win on clock, which is different. If someone can't find the difference, there's nothing else to add, he/she's hopeless (and probably a 700/800 rate player)
The chess game is always some sort of a compromise between a pure chess skill and time you have on your hand (unless it is some sort of a correspondence game). For games you play, time is a bigger factor than in longer games.
If I have a completely winning position and lose on time, it means my opponent had a better balance between chess skill and time usage and deserved to win. If that is not the case, why are we having different time controls at all.
We will not agree on this, so I will stop here.
https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/5401242879?tab=review
This was the game in question btw (September 5th 2020)
It's not a binary thing. If your opponent has wasted too much time thinking then you're entitled to win on time.
Where it becomes bad for the game - particularly online - is a scenario where one side is clearly lost, times are similar but there's not enough time for a checkmate.
At this point, the losing player has nothing to lose so can just play mindlessly. Therefore it simply becomes a drag race, and as so little time goes into thinking about the moves, internet connection speed can end up determining the winner.