FM Borislav Ivanov Disqualified

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I can say few bad words here (against Obama, even against women and Black people ...) to let this forum be shut down. I did this before, it works pretty well. Shall I ?

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You are more likely to get your own account close or muzzle.

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azbobcat wrote:

 SmyslovFan  your knowledge of physics, chemsitry, astronomy, and astrophysics leaves a lot to be desired. Infinity is a very, very, large number and  the  universe  is infinite.

Last time I've heard, nobody was really sure whether it was or was not finite, but perhaps I missed something. Kindly provide a reference to your claim of infinite universe.

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ok , i wont do it. but somebody needs to sacrifice himself for mankind and chess...

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A new day, a fresh start Wink Here we go again

Be silent, or say something better than silence ( Pythagoras)

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Ariel_Demian wrote:

Actually, impeding cheating is not that hard: make players play in an electromagnetically isolated room. No signal can enter the room from the outside so it should be 0k.

And you already know the answer to that: It would cost to much money. Even creating  Electronic "White Noise"  or some such thing.  Protecting Chess is  important, but not so important as spend money on it to prevent electronic cheating. Far easier to accuse someone of cheating without any sort of PROOF that they actually did cheat than to secure the hall to ensure cheating can not take placer.

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It is not difficult to hide an electronic device. That can be accomplished with aluminium foil within a bomberjack for instance. It will show that you have much more metal around then normal, but that is not what is searched for.

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azbobcat wrote:

which brings us back to the central problem in  the case. HOW is he cheating?!? He has NEVER been found with an electronic  device on him and ?!? HOW is he  TRANSMITTING  and RECEIVING the moves?!?

The argument goes because his moves match a chess engin he MUST be cheating. BUT there are NO Electronic devices on him, and TWO there is no way he can TRANSMIT  or RECEIVE moves which would be quite obvious.

Yes there is. It has already been used.

Transmitting is easy, receiving requires a but of organization, but :

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/french-cheating-case-fide-confirms-suspension-feller-hauchard-marzolo

Notice the thing is so obvious that only the fact that one player confessed allowed FIDE to know it. (but on the other hand, he was a decent player, so he could play on his own for a few moves).

This is pretty undetectable, but there is also the hypothesis of an electronic device in the shoe, in the underwear, etc.

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I'll grab a cab, never mind...

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I think this topic has been discussed to dry. The problem is that some ignorant morons don't accept matching-computer analysis as the main definitive convincing proof of cheating, because they don't understand it, and thus they are going to stupidly prattle on and on. Since I am not ignorant moron, I know the mediocre chess player Borislav Ivanov is cheater and this is also unanimous consensus of all cheat analysts and experienced expert chess players, so there is no dispute around, only stupidity. Nothing else can be said.

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time traveller accessing, via brain implant resonance, future perfect chess machine that can emulate any engine.

or he's a cheater.

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To say 'Just tell me how he did it, then, only then, we caught him' is ridiculous.

Everybody knows that David Copperfield tricks us, but how he did it, we will never know. Magicians have a codex: never tell anybody how you did it. 

If we once we will know how Ivanov cheated, perhaps it was an  ingenious trick, thus a nice story for the yellow press or even Hollywood .

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Yes, you'd think that he'd have the common decency, to put on a good show! Laughing

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azbobcat wrote:

which brings us back to the central problem in  the case. HOW is he cheating?!? He has NEVER been found with an electronic  device on him and ?!? HOW is he  TRANSMITTING  and RECEIVING the moves?!?

The argument goes because his moves match a chess engin he MUST be cheating. BUT there are NO Electronic devices on him, and TWO there is no way he can TRANSMIT  or RECEIVE moves which would be quite obvious.

Without an  electronic device found on him or some method detected that shows how he can transmit and/or receive a signal from outside the hall Occams Razor rules: the simpler anaswer is  he did NOT cheat. For him  to have cheated he'd either have to have been found with  an electronic devive on  him and/or found with some mthof for both  trandmitting and receiving a signal.

You are evolking in your argument goes like this: Because  Inov rating jumps hugely it MUST because he is cheating, because his moves match that of a cherss engine -- but you  can't PROVE he has had an electronic device, nor can it be proven how  he transmits and receives his moves. By Occam's Razor the method by which he must  be cheating is so complex that no one can  detect it, as such the simplier answer and thus probably the correct one is HE DID  NOT CHEAT.

He's playing exactly like a computer. By Occam's Razor, he did cheat.

The reason why no devices were found is because he wasn't thoroughly searched.

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FlintLockwood wrote:

Really ,he has to input a move without being seen to do so,force the engine to give a one second response ( which might not be the best move) get feed-back in code ,be sure he got it right again without being seen to do anything and move all in 5 -7 seconds? I can undestand if you just need to tap a screen or keyboard but he hasn't got those.

It could be done if he had a hidden camera on him, and an accomplice nearby to input the moves, and relay the information to him through a device. 

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It could be done if he had a hidden camera on him, and an accomplice nearby to input the moves, and relay the information to him through a device. 

lol,perhaps an invisibility cloak too?

Is it unreasonable to believe he could have had an hidden camera and an  accomplice nearby? Hidden cameras are getting extremely small. Portable computer chess sets can also be very small. Someone appearing to be using a PDA could go with little attention, when in reality a chess engine is being used.

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schlechter55 wrote:

To say 'Just tell me how he did it, then, only then, we caught him' is ridiculous. (..)

Not completely. There is still an important point (not the one the morons have done, but I adress it anyways).

If the guy had played naked, in a Faraday cage, under scrutiny from cameras of all possible angles, and still crushed GMs two days after breaking 1500 elo with houdini-like moves, the rational explanation would still be that he did not cheat and was strong / got lucky, because there is absolutely no way he could cheat in those conditions.

The good question is not "how exactly did he do it" but "are there reasonable explanations of how he could have done it" (and we do not care about which one was used). The answer to that question, which is "yes" (accomplice / hidden electronic device for instance) does matter, even at 100% Houdini match.

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Sunshiny wrote:

It could be done if he had a hidden camera on him, and an accomplice nearby to input the moves, and relay the information to him through a device. 

lol,perhaps an invisibility cloak too?

Is it unreasonable to believe he could have had an hidden camera and an  accomplice nearby? Hidden cameras are getting extremely small. Portable computer chess sets can also be very small. Someone appearing to be using a PDA could go with little attention, when in reality a chess engine is being used.

I can't see that this is reasonable, after all, tiny cameras can cost something crazy like $100 or something insane like that , so no, its not possible.

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Ubik42 wrote:
Sunshiny wrote:

It could be done if he had a hidden camera on him, and an accomplice nearby to input the moves, and relay the information to him through a device. 

lol,perhaps an invisibility cloak too?

Is it unreasonable to believe he could have had an hidden camera and an  accomplice nearby? Hidden cameras are getting extremely small. Portable computer chess sets can also be very small. Someone appearing to be using a PDA could go with little attention, when in reality a chess engine is being used.

I can't see that this is reasonable, after all, tiny cameras can cost something crazy like $100 or something insane like that , so no, its not possible.

Yeah, no kidding, right? He'd probably want to split the bill with his accomplice, which would mean no accomplice too!

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Ubik lol, 100$ is nothing for him, and a lot of chess.com members either.

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