Actually, you do have ways of knowing this. You can either ask or check their games in progress.
The poster shouldn't post ongoing games and the readers should not offer any advice or analysis to ongoing games.
When I read the thread, it is pretty clear that it was an ongoing game.
In this case, you should do research since to not do so runs the risk of breaking the rules.
I read that thread. I saw nothing in the original post to indicate that the game was in progress, and barring that I think it was safe for anyone to presume that the poster was referring to a game that was not in progress.
I do not automatically presume someone is cheating. In fact, I presume they're not. I did look at the poster's profile and saw the he was a young teenager, and may not have known that what he/she was doing was premature.
there was absolutely no cheating involved here by any of the parties.
the original poster was wrong to post an ongoing game, but he was not looking for advice, his whole point was that he knew it would be a draw, so he knew exactly what moves to make to keep opposition etc.
all subsequent opinions were just responding to the original post.
don't sweat the small stuff !
I disagree. The title was "what to do when your opponent refuses drawing when its pawn + king vs. king" This in no way indicates that the game is ongoing in fact it's a very generalized statement asking what to do whenever this scenario arises. Moreover, there was no text in his original post at all to indicate that the game was even played on this site. In addition I feel that your opinion is irrelevent due to the fact that you're one of the finger pointing accusers. Therefore, you are biased. Do you honestly believe that I had bad intentions? Do you honestly think that I want to hurt anyone or anything? I was giving the poster the benefit of the doubt as is my right. He/she and only he/she should be responsible for not cheating.
I have 14 games currently in progress. I don't think it's fair for other forum posters to be "required" to review all my games before sharing friendly advice. It's a rediculous expectation. If I post one of those games I should be held responsible and the responders to my post should be forgiven.
Anthony
Well, seeing as they are printed in books, it would be safe to assume that they are finished. We are not reviewing games in books on here (sometimes, but this instance is definately not the case), we are actually playing the games.
It would seem logical to assume that the original poster posted this topic from personal experience. More likely, it would have been a recent experience and could quite possibly be from an ongoing game.
You don't have to presume that someone is intentionally cheating, but one could not intentionally cheat if they don't know the rules. That is what this is about.
Quite honestly, how can anyone argue that not posting analysis or advice to a current game to the person playing would not be cheating of some form. This is a response to the person who says the the people who respond to a thread of this nature are not at fault (perhaps not as much as the originaly poster, but let's be serious.)
This is a sticky from the 'Game Analysis' section. Don't know if it is posted somewhere else: http://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/read-this-before-you-post
Again, as should be obvious, the post was phrased ina way that it could (and was) be taken as a purely theoretical position, or one from a game long since over. There was no reason to presume it was from an ongoing game.
That being the case, there are no grounds for accusing anyone offering advice on it of cheating.
I think I speak for most people when we say... bothered. No advice from anyone could have affected that match. Some people take this game and this site far too seriously.
If I read one more thread about "what do you do to pass the time between moves"; I think I'll spontaneously combust. Inbetween moves I do anything but chess and have a life!
People need to get a grip.
I think I speak for most people when we say... bothered. No advice from anyone could have affected that match. Some people take this game and this site far too seriously.
If I read one more thread about "what do you do to pass the time between moves"; I think I'll spontaneously combust. Inbetween moves I do anything but chess and have a life!
People need to get a grip.
dude, when you recover from this latest hangover, you'll probably want to transfer this post to "my most embarrassing post" because you threaten to spontaneously combust if a subject is mentioned that nobody mentioned in this thread but um.... you ! Actually i don't really think you are inebriated, it was just a possible face saving way to backpedal out
On another thread a few other folks and I were accused of cheating because we responded to a post concerning King vs. King + Pawn endgame. We were accused of cheating because supposedly this game was still in progress. I agree that if you're in the middle of a game and post your game in hopes of someone giving you your next move that you are cheating. However, the people who are reading these posts have no way of knowing if this game is still on and therefore are not responsible for the posters bad behavior. If one of these people throws his/her two cents in, it doesn't make them cheaters. I don't think anyone should be expected to do research before they post their opinion in a forum. I post this because I'm deeply offended at being called a cheater at no fault of my own. I also think that there needs to be some sort of forum etiquette that says, "Only the original poster is responsible for cheating through posting." If I'm wrong about this I hope someone can clue me in on the reason why.
Anthony
I think this is a situation where we can learn something:
1. The original poster knows the rules of the game and his situation is a clear draw (K+P vs. K). He doesn't know the rules however on posting that its not appropriate to ask for any advice to an ongoing game but he did because of failure to convince his opponent to accept the draw he offered. This seem irritated him and concerned about the time he needs to play it out to prove.
2. The respondents was unfairly accused of cheating by helping their fellow member with responses to his inquiry. They don't know that the game is ongoing which is normal for the question given as it was phrased like a finished game or to solicit answers for other members to benefit.
Just some thoughts:
1 I will not accuse the guy of cheating because he knows his situation is a clear draw. He just need to continue playing until a drawn position is arrived at or wait until the PC/server decides that it is a draw by vitue of repeatitions.
2. I'm not with the guys who accuse the helpful/unselfish fellow members as cheaters because the situation is very clear. It's really offending though but what can you do if they are not informed as well? Send something to understand it?
3. Its a good thing that that it happened though. It means that knowing the rules of playing the game is not enough. We need also to abide by the posting rules.
Thanks for your post. It made me aware.
On another thread a few other folks and I were accused of cheating because we responded to a post concerning King vs. King + Pawn endgame. We were accused of cheating because supposedly this game was still in progress. I agree that if you're in the middle of a game and post your game in hopes of someone giving you your next move that you are cheating. However, the people who are reading these posts have no way of knowing if this game is still on and therefore are not responsible for the posters bad behavior. If one of these people throws his/her two cents in, it doesn't make them cheaters. I don't think anyone should be expected to do research before they post their opinion in a forum. I post this because I'm deeply offended at being called a cheater at no fault of my own. I also think that there needs to be some sort of forum etiquette that says, "Only the original poster is responsible for cheating through posting." If I'm wrong about this I hope someone can clue me in on the reason why.
Anthony