Fritz 16

TheInimitableKan

What's the release date for Fritz 16? 

 

I hate to buy a 2 year old program, only to have a new version come out the next month! shock.png

EscherehcsE
TheInimitableKan wrote:

What's the release date for Fritz 16? 

 

I hate to buy a 2 year old program, only to have a new version come out the next month! 

I don't have any inside information, but a November release of a new Fritz version, in time for the Christmas buying season, is almost as consistent as the sun rising every morning.

TheInimitableKan

Thanks, that sounds like a well-informed guess, which is as good as I think I can hope for!

Threebeast

Good question…. I wonder if Fritz 16 will come out at the end of the year, I guess time will tell.

Glacebert

Looks like the release date is the 28th of November 2017 (unconfirmed?)

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chesster3145
BobbyTalparov wrote:

The difference between 15 and 16 will not be noticeable to anyone other than the top 10 players in the world.

I’m not a big fan of Fritz anyway. I’ve used it on database.chessbase.com, and the evaluations seem kooky, as if no human would come close to these figures.

bazinga2

I just pre-ordered Fritz 16. I presently have Fritz 12. So, I hope I didn't waste my money. I guess Fritz 12 came out in 2009. I would hope 8 years is enough to make some improvements.

CoffeeAnd420
bazinga2 wrote:

I just pre-ordered Fritz 16. I presently have Fritz 12. So, I hope I didn't waste my money. I guess Fritz 12 came out in 2009. I would hope 8 years is enough to make some improvements.

 

Do you know the official release date of Fritz 16?

 

edit: Ah, I see up top someone mentioned Nov. 28 so I guess it's right around then.

CoffeeAnd420
chesster3145 wrote:
BobbyTalparov wrote:

The difference between 15 and 16 will not be noticeable to anyone other than the top 10 players in the world.

I’m not a big fan of Fritz anyway. I’ve used it on database.chessbase.com, and the evaluations seem kooky, as if no human would come close to these figures.

 

The power of Fritz is not in using the Fritz engine. It's the GUI. Nobody really buys it for the engine as Komodo and SF are so much stronger. The real deal is to run SF Development or AsmFish on the latest version of Fritz. Even then, the gap between what's offered on web based sites like this one is closing in on what the Chessbase products really offer.

 

Still - You can't get a better analysis program than Fritz + AsmFish.

bazinga2

I have no idea what AsmFish is? I looked at Wikipedia and still didn't understand, but other than using a laptop I don't know much about computers. And, I have no idea what GUI means either. I guess a google search shows graphic user interface. I am not sure what the advantage there is either.

EscherehcsE
bazinga2 wrote:

I have no idea what AsmFish is? I looked at Wikipedia and still didn't understand, but other than using a laptop I don't know much about computers. And, I have no idea what GUI means either. I guess a google search shows graphic user interface. I am not sure what the advantage there is either.

I haven't used AsmFish, but I hear it's Stockfish rewritten in assembly code. So it's the same as Stockfish, but maybe a tiny bit faster. Maybe 10-20 elo increase? Is that enough to get you excited about AsmFish? I guess it depends on the person.

CoffeeAnd420
bazinga2 wrote:

I have no idea what AsmFish is? I looked at Wikipedia and still didn't understand, but other than using a laptop I don't know much about computers. And, I have no idea what GUI means either. I guess a google search shows graphic user interface. I am not sure what the advantage there is either.

 

If you buy or download a chess engine - that's all it is: The engine. It will do nothing for you on it's own. You need a program to run the engine on. That's what a GUI is (Graphical User Interface). The best commercial GUI for analysis is Fritz 15, with Fritz 16 on it's way. The best ENGINE is whatever the most updated version of Stockfish Development is out. These are Stockfish 8 but with consistent improvements and updates throughout the week. You can find them here:

 

http://chess.ultimaiq.net/stockfish.html

http://abrok.eu/stockfish/

 

Alternatively, you can get these versions but as EscherehcsE points out - you can get them written in assembly code which equates to a much faster engine. That's what AsmFish is. You can download the latest version of AsmFish here:

 

https://github.com/lantonov/asmFish/commit/f14606f4eac3719814bebe02a44df8aac444a0a2

 

and it's associated links on that page.

 

 

 

 

CoffeeAnd420
EscherehcsE wrote:
bazinga2 wrote:

I have no idea what AsmFish is? I looked at Wikipedia and still didn't understand, but other than using a laptop I don't know much about computers. And, I have no idea what GUI means either. I guess a google search shows graphic user interface. I am not sure what the advantage there is either.

I haven't used AsmFish, but I hear it's Stockfish rewritten in assembly code. So it's the same as Stockfish, but maybe a tiny bit faster. Maybe 10-20 elo increase? Is that enough to get you excited about AsmFish? I guess it depends on the person.

 

It's not about the elo difference, it's about the speed and stability which is more than just a "tiny bit" when talking about AsmFish vs SF Dev. It's roughly twice as fast. Whether someone wants to use that engine or another is completely up to them, of course.

EscherehcsE
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
EscherehcsE wrote:
bazinga2 wrote:

I have no idea what AsmFish is? I looked at Wikipedia and still didn't understand, but other than using a laptop I don't know much about computers. And, I have no idea what GUI means either. I guess a google search shows graphic user interface. I am not sure what the advantage there is either.

I haven't used AsmFish, but I hear it's Stockfish rewritten in assembly code. So it's the same as Stockfish, but maybe a tiny bit faster. Maybe 10-20 elo increase? Is that enough to get you excited about AsmFish? I guess it depends on the person.

 

It's not about the elo difference, it's about the speed and stability which is more than just a "tiny bit" when talking about AsmFish vs SF Dev. It's roughly twice as fast. Whether someone wants to use that engine or another is completely up to them, of course.

On my old PC, 1 thread, I got about a 50% increase. (asmFishW_2017-10-04_popcnt vs. Stockfish 8 popcnt). I got 44% compared to the latest Stockfish Dev. What's that, maybe 20 to 25 elo?

(I don't know what the speed increase would be on multiple cores.)

Chaumpaf

https://www.amazon.com/ChessBase-Fritz-16-Chess-Software/dp/3866816316

CoffeeAnd420
Destroyer_Mark_1420 wrote:
Stockfish will be stronger

 

You need to learn how to read a thread before posting. We've already covered this at length.

kenardi

 

Fritz 16 looks so happy!  happy.png

kenardi

Chess programs can be a little confusing, especially chessbase products.  To clarify for those that are interested....

Chessbase basically has two Graphic User Interface programs (GUI):


#1 is Chessbase (currently Chessbase 14), this is most often considered the BEST commercial program for game analysis and database software.  This is what most chess professional use.  This is expensive and not necessary for every chess player that wants a chess program.  This is the most functional chess software on the market and is for super users that spend lots of time analyzing games.

 

#2 "Fritz", this is confusing, because the program is sold under different names based on the chess engine it is packaged with.  This has some functions the #1 programs does not have like friendly play (look it up on youtube), it will analyze games very well, you can install any UCI chess engine, and it includes a database.  The analysis and database functions are not as powerful as the #1 product, but sufficient for many casual less computer capable players.  This is a great product for someone that wants a product to play games against a computer engine, computer assisted analysis of their games and other games, a database and database tools to make their own database, and computer assisted study of every phase of the game. 

 

Chessbase offers many other products that all complement the two primary products.  They have a third product for kids that I have never looked at, its called "Fritz and Chester", this is for kids that want to learn how to play and know nothing about the game.  They also have a less expensive version of Fritz called "Fritz for FUN", not really clear on the difference between the regular Fritz and Fritz for FUN.

 

commercial competition is:

Chess King - I own an older version of this, it not as powerful as the chessbase products, but user interface is much easier especially for younger kids or adults that have trouble with computers.  This is competition for the Fritz #2 product.

 

Chess Assistant - Have never owned a copy of this I cannot comment.  I'm pretty sure this is competition for the #1 product.

 

Freeware:

Arena - this is very dated, but a FREE GUI that will run many different chess engines.  This is very similar to older versions of the #2 chessbase product, like 15 years ago.

 

Chess Engines, there are many of these, the BIG three right now are:

Stockfish - open source and free

Komodo - commercial, older versions are free to download from their website

Houdini - commercial, original version is free to download from their website

 

There are also many resources on the internet that I am not permitted to mention,  This website is one of those resources.

 

If you have Fritz 15 I wouldn't be in a rush to purchase Fritz 16, unless you just have to have the most recent software.  I'm sure the chess engine will have some improvements.  Looks like chessbase has made some changes to the "front end" of user interface of the Fritz #2 product.  Seems like an attempt to make it more user friendly for those that find computers not so friendly.  Chessbase may have improved the analysis tools, if so, it may be worth the update for Fritz 15 owners... still not enough information about the new program to say for sure.

 

ed1975

Does anyone know if it will be possible to customise the look of the board with your own plain Windows-based colours? You can do this in CB14 for example. I hate the standard CB board colours.

How useful do you find the "verbose" analysis feature in the current Fritz?

Also; having looked at the screenies with the yellow background and the cartoon-like Fritz, it looks like they've dumbed the interface down and made it kinda childish?