Playing on in lost positions in daily games

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TheCalculatorKid

KariEgilsson wrote:

What are you talking about? In almost every serious chess game people resign when they are clearly lost. There is nothing inherently wrong with playing until checkmate, but it's just a waste of time. Why the hell would you want to play for example a mate with a queen and king for weeks?

You play because that is the point of the game. To get checkmate. It is quote literally the whole objective. Weeks means nothing, it's seconds in terms of time spent. You can have other games on the go as well. I cannot believe you are complaining that you are about to win a game.

SciFiChess

Daily games are different than live games, partly based on how ratings work. I think your rating adjustment is based on the ratings of the two players at the time the game ends, not the ratings at the start of the game. If you think your opponent will have a higher rating in the future, your rating may benefit a little by extending a lost game. This is especially true if your rating is provisional. In some cases your rating benefits from finishing sooner. Chess.com also has the following rules.

Sportsmanship Policy: Do not make your opponents wait unnecessarily.

Fair Play Policy: Do not artificially manipulate ratings.

TheCalculatorKid

Look here, after 19 moves in a clearly lost position. Against a superior rated opponent. 

 

I have very little counter play, aside from hoping he had completely neglected to spot any kind of defence. 

 

I hung my Knight hoping he would be pretty much premoving his victory. 

 

Somehow I was right, he ignored the Knight and a mate in 1 turned into a win for me. 

 

I could have resigned, but where is the fight, where is the competitive spirit in that. 

 

 

glamdring27
KariEgilsson wrote:

What are you talking about? In almost every serious chess game people resign when they are clearly lost. There is nothing inherently wrong with playing until checkmate, but it's just a waste of time. Why the hell would you want to play for example a mate with a queen and king for weeks?

 

How many chess.com games are 'serious' though?  Players make mistakes, even in Daily Chess.  Personally I resign pretty quickly in a lot of games, but if my opponent doesn't I just keep playing moves, taking the 2s it takes every 3 days or whatever it is.

For those who care about such things, there are ratings reasons to not resign too, if your opponent is lower rated and may gain rating points in the time before you resign so you'll lose fewer.  I can't be bothered caring about such considerations myself, but some do.

TheCalculatorKid
SciFiChess wrote:

Daily games are different than live games, partly based on how ratings work. I think your rating adjustment is based on the ratings of the two players at the time the game ends, not the ratings at the start of the game. If you think your opponent will have a higher rating in the future, your rating may benefit a little by extending a lost game. This is especially true if your rating is provisional. In some cases your rating benefits from finishing sooner. Chess.com also has the following rules.

Sportsmanship Policy: Do not make your opponents wait unnecessarily.

Fair Play Policy: Do not artificially manipulate ratings.

 

The key there is unnecessarily. Playing legal moves is not unnecessary. 

 

The OP is literally complaining that he has secured a likely victory in a game of chess. 

 

I'm seriously baffled here. 

glamdring27
IMBacon wrote:
glamdring27 wrote:

In what world did we reach a point where finishing a game is considered disrespectful?!  And how much time is wasted anyway?  If you aren't doing deep analysis on a game it takes just seconds to play a move, whether you are on the 'clearly winning' or 'clearly losing' side.

People should be allowed to resign when they want.  Expecting an opponent to resign is 'disrespectful'.  You sign up to play a game of chess, the ultimate aim of which is checkmate.  If someone resigns before checkmate it's just a shortcut and a mild courtesy or they don't want to spend any more time on the game, but no-one should be moaned at for playing a game to its natural conclusion so long as they are actually still playing moves.

We reached that point about the same time telling someone "good game", "good luck", and being polite online started being considered rude, and or trying to distract someone.

Keep one thing in mind.  The only place you see these things being whined about is online.  So take it for what its worth.  The power of anonymity is overpowering for some.

 

"Good game" is fine if it was a good game.  If it's something someone says every game then it's just words without meaning.  Not rude though, certainly, just disingenuous.

Fleece_Johnson

they like it da hard way 

they want it hard and to last long

u have to give it to them

Fleece_Johnson

some want it the easy way, they will lose in 10 moves.

but some want it the hard way

the choice is theirs, u just have to give it to them either way

KariEgilsson
SciFiChess wrote:

Daily games are different than live games, partly based on how ratings work. I think your rating adjustment is based on the ratings of the two players at the time the game ends, not the ratings at the start of the game. If you think your opponent will have a higher rating in the future, your rating may benefit a little by extending a lost game. This is especially true if your rating is provisional. In some cases your rating benefits from finishing sooner. Chess.com also has the following rules.

Sportsmanship Policy: Do not make your opponents wait unnecessarily.

Fair Play Policy: Do not artificially manipulate ratings.

That doesn't really apply in this situation. My other ratings are much higher than his and my daily rating is provisional.

KariEgilsson
TheCalculatorKid wrote:

Look here, after 19 moves in a clearly lost position. Against a superior rated opponent. 

 

I have very little counter play, aside from hoping he had completely neglected to spot any kind of defence. 

 

I hung my Knight hoping he would be pretty much premoving his victory. 

 

Somehow I was right, he ignored the Knight and a mate in 1 turned into a win for me. 

 

I could have resigned, but where is the fight, where is the competitive spirit in that. 

 

 

You shouldn't resign in positions where there is still hope. What I'm talking about is 3 pawns + a bishop against a lone king. The best you could hope for is stalemate, and that isn't going to happen in a daily game.

glamdring27

So your Daily Rating is more likely to go up than down => the later he resigns the fewer rating points he loses.

SciFiChess

Chess.com computes your average time per move for all daily games. Playing out a lost position and moving fast will give you a faster time per move. Playing unnecessarily slow will give you a slower time per move. Your daily chess move speed is shown on your profile. When you send a daily chess challenge to someone, your time per move is listed on the challenge. Some daily tournaments require an average time per move below a certain number. You tend to benefit from having a faster daily time per move, and this is how chess.com punishes slow movers.

TheCalculatorKid

KariEgilsson wrote:

TheCalculatorKid wrote:

Look here, after 19 moves in a clearly lost position. Against a superior rated opponent. 

 

I have very little counter play, aside from hoping he had completely neglected to spot any kind of defence. 

 

I hung my Knight hoping he would be pretty much premoving his victory. 

 

Somehow I was right, he ignored the Knight and a mate in 1 turned into a win for me. 

 

I could have resigned, but where is the fight, where is the competitive spirit in that. 

 

 

You shouldn't resign in positions where there is still hope. What I'm talking about is 3 pawns + a bishop against a lone king. The best you could hope for is stalemate, and that isn't going to happen in a daily game.

You are still missing the point. Presumably you played this game with the intent of winning. You are now about to win. Enjoy it.

jpaul_lyons

Do you give up battle in a fight or in a war just because defeat is inevitable? If chess consists in the logic of war or a fight, then you must at least humor your opponent’s will to fight to the inevitable end, and conclude the issue as quickly as possible. It is just those who become emotional and outraged that might blunder on account of their indignation at the audacity of the defeated opponent. The new task is winning the won game as ruthlessly and quickly as possible. Do it. The task of the defeated fighter is to make that win as painful and annoying as possible for you in hopes that you become emotional and tortured - and that is the logic of the combat. Games have been won by defeated opponents simply because they were obstinate while the other guy went to sleep.