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Why is chess not at the olympics?

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teju17
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Jun 15, 2021
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#261

+100

AunTheKnight
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Jun 15, 2021
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#262
Tad2721 wrote:
8HitBoy wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
8HitBoy wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
8HitBoy wrote:

A very good question, I am waiting for chess to be included at the Olympics as well. It is a sport like others, but that might be hard to see and understand for non-chess-players just because you don't have to use muscles to play chess.

It's a game. Not a sport.  Levy Rozman said it himself

I like Levy, I really do, but:

"Chess has been recognised as a sport by the International Olympic Committee since 2000."

Wow

Is that really your reply? I thought we are discussing the topic as two adult human beings.

I am a child. And what do u mean?

He meant that you only said “wow,” like you don’t believe it, rather than expressing why you don’t believe it. Well, I think that is what he means.

lfPatriotGames
lfPatriotGames
Jun 15, 2021
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#263
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:

Read definition c (2), it says SUCH AS an athletic game, meaning it doesn't have to be an athletic game, it's just can be.

Yes, such as an athletic game. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand. It also emphasizes the physical aspect. Chess is a mental game, not a physical one. It's not athletic. Some dictionaries give examples, like soccer. Why do you suppose they never give examples such as Monopoly or Clue or other board games?

Monopoly and Clue are games of luck, chess is not. 

Luck has nothing to do with defining a sport or game. Under the definition of sport, why do they never include checkers or soduko? Are those games of luck too?

The REASON the dictionary doesn't say "including but not limited to" is because it doesn't apply. Sometimes the dictionary DOES say that, if it applies. Here is does not. It's not mentioned because all sports are athletic games. It's how the word is defined. 

Now look up the definition of chess. What's the first the words you are likely to see? "a board game". 

Checkers is a solved game, so there is no point in adding it to the Olympics.

I see. So is there some comment, some requirement, some indication that the Olympic committee only considers unsolved games for inclusion in the Olympics? You seem to be wandering off a bit. Lets try to stay on topic. 

I'm pretty sure luck and whether or not a game is solved have nothing to do with an activity in the Olympics. Pretty much all sports involve some element of luck. And I'm also pretty sure none of the sports currently in the Olympics are "solved". 

Well, in a board game, there is no skill required, it is 100% luck, but in a sport, it's less than 1% luck.  A solved game would be boring to watch because the result would always be the same, if the result is supposed to be that someone wins, then it would be like adding coin toss to the Olympics, or if the result is a draw, then we would never have a winner.

Really? There is no skill required in chess? What about checkers? No skill there either? What about other strategy games like Risk or Battleship? And all this time I thought chess was a game of skill. 

I have to be honest, this is the very first time I heard anyone say chess is 100% luck. Sometimes I wonder about the thought process that goes into contorting enough things to try to believe chess is a sport. 

I never said that chess is 100% luck, I said that board games are 100% luck, chess is a sport not a board game.  Checkers is a solved game, you just have to have enough skill to be able to memorize moves.  Battleship is 99% luck, and in risk, there are 5 dice and some cards, there is at least some luck involved.  You are right, in a board game it isn't 100% luck, but there is some luck involved.

That is the very first time I have ever heard anyone say that chess is not a board game too. I guess when trying to rationalize that chess could be a sport all sorts of new and unique things are said. 

I wonder what the dictionary (or any chess reference) says about whether or not chess is a board game. I would assume that chess (and any other game) that's played on a board, is a board game. 

KingCobra280
KingCobra280
Jun 15, 2021
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lfPatriotGames wrote:
icyboyyy wrote:

in shooting, you actually need some physical skill to aim. in chess, you just need to have good mental capabilities and have a working hand to move pieces

Even a working hand is not necessary. If someone has no hands, they are allowed to simply call out the moves, or have someone else move the pieces for them. Sports do not have that allowance. 

Chess is a sport

BenIBB
BenIBB
Jun 15, 2021
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#265

It would be interesting to have chess as a sport, although there is almost no physical challenge to it unlike other Olympic sports. Chess is still a sport, although when the athenians created the olympics it was meant to test the physical capabilities of the best of athletes. edit: i meant chess as an olymic sport would be interesting, chess is already a sport.

lfPatriotGames
lfPatriotGames
Jun 15, 2021
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#266
KingCobra280 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
icyboyyy wrote:

in shooting, you actually need some physical skill to aim. in chess, you just need to have good mental capabilities and have a working hand to move pieces

Even a working hand is not necessary. If someone has no hands, they are allowed to simply call out the moves, or have someone else move the pieces for them. Sports do not have that allowance. 

Chess is a sport

Then explain how board games, such as chess, allow for no physical external use of the body. Explain how all sports require require that, but chess does not. 

Give even one example of a sport where there is no physical external use of the body. Pfren certainly tried. I think he said curling and archery requires no muscle use. He was a little vague on explaining exactly how that works but you know how that goes. So maybe you can pick up where he left off. Explain how if chess were a sport, how no muscle use is necessary, where all sports do in fact require it. Explain away. 

KingCobra280
KingCobra280
Jun 15, 2021
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BenIBB wrote:

It would be interesting to have chess as a sport, although there is almost no physical challenge to it unlike other Olympic sports.

ummmm what. I think ur a bit confused. Chess is already a sport. Just search it up and scroll through the endless proof. Search up "Chess is not a sport" and you get no results. What more proof do you need. There isnt much physical challenge but there is still some. Even the International Olympic Committee agrees that it is a sport and who are you to argue with them. Thanks and have a nice day.

CristianoRonaldosuuu
CristianoRonaldosuuu
Jun 15, 2021
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#268

no one wants to watch magnus and hikaru sit there thinking for 6 hours

KingCobra280
KingCobra280
Jun 15, 2021
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#269
lfPatriotGames wrote:
KingCobra280 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
icyboyyy wrote:

in shooting, you actually need some physical skill to aim. in chess, you just need to have good mental capabilities and have a working hand to move pieces

Even a working hand is not necessary. If someone has no hands, they are allowed to simply call out the moves, or have someone else move the pieces for them. Sports do not have that allowance. 

Chess is a sport

Then explain how board games, such as chess, allow for no physical external use of the body. Explain how all sports require require that, but chess does not. 

Give even one example of a sport where there is no physical external use of the body. Pfren certainly tried. I think he said curling and archery requires no muscle use. He was a little vague on explaining exactly how that works but you know how that goes. So maybe you can pick up where he left off. Explain how if chess were a sport, how no muscle use is necessary, where all sports do in fact require it. Explain away. 

I am sorry but I don't understood. Wy do I need to say sports that don't have any physical external use. 

KingCobra280
KingCobra280
Jun 15, 2021
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#270
Thechezzbozz wrote:

no one wants to watch magnus and hikaru sit there thinking for 6 hours

Actually a lot of people would love to watch them. Not all would like 6 hours tho

AunTheKnight
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Jun 15, 2021
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Thechezzbozz wrote:

no one wants to watch magnus and hikaru sit there thinking for 6 hours

Speed chess should be in the Olympics.

lfPatriotGames
lfPatriotGames
Jun 15, 2021
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#272

Because you are claiming chess is a sport. So you have the burden of proof. You have to explain why chess (as a sport) requires external physical use of the body. 

That's going to be difficult because there are allowances in the rules of chess for people to play chess without using ANY muscles. Where is the allowance for sports to do the same thing? In soccer for example, where is it allowed to run down the field without running down the field? How does one run by not using legs or feet or even moving at all?

CristianoRonaldosuuu
CristianoRonaldosuuu
Jun 15, 2021
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KingCobra280 wrote:
Thechezzbozz wrote:

no one wants to watch magnus and hikaru sit there thinking for 6 hours

Actually a lot of people would love to watch them. Not all would like 6 hours tho

yes but chess isnt at the olympics because two dudes sitting there quietly wont b very exciting unlike in most olympics sports which have constant entertainment

CristianoRonaldosuuu
CristianoRonaldosuuu
Jun 15, 2021
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#274

its pretty much how much money the sport makes not is it a sport r ot

AunTheKnight
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Jun 15, 2021
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#275
Thechezzbozz wrote:
KingCobra280 wrote:
Thechezzbozz wrote:

no one wants to watch magnus and hikaru sit there thinking for 6 hours

Actually a lot of people would love to watch them. Not all would like 6 hours tho

yes but chess isnt at the olympics because two dudes sitting there quietly wont b very exciting unlike in most olympics sports which have constant entertainment

Speed chess!

IvanoMocic
IvanoMocic
Jun 15, 2021
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#276

chess is not football

AunTheKnight
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Jun 15, 2021
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#277
IvanoMocicD wrote:

chess is not football

Football is not cricket. I guess it is not a sport?

BenIBB
BenIBB
Jun 15, 2021
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#278

I sort of agree with this, chess is still a sport, just a mental challenge rather than physical, different to other olympic sports which are physically challenging. @AunTheKnight

 

AunTheKnight
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Jun 15, 2021
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BenIBB wrote:

I sort of agree with this, chess is still a sport, just a mental challenge rather than physical, different to other olympic sports which are physically challenging. @AunTheKnight

 

Yes. Chess is a sport. 

KingCobra280
KingCobra280
Jun 15, 2021
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BenIBB wrote:

I sort of agree with this, chess is still a sport, just a mental challenge rather than physical, different to other olympic sports which are physically challenging. @AunTheKnight

 

yay, chess is a sport. There is little physical involved but it still counts