[Discussion of cheating is confined to the Cheating Forum - mod]

nothing like being a piece up (with zero comp for opponent) to a person hundreds of points lower rated and then they start playing like kramnik



finish game and see that they have 100% matching rate with engines after blundering away pieces in the opening when they did not have the engine running

its shameful and is the main reason why this site will never get one penny from me or anyone i know

 

it must happen in the higher rated games. At my level, where 1000s play like 1000s and we both play terrible moves, it is really Tartakower's aphorism which rules; the second to last one to blunder wins. No engines at my level. Just series of blunders. One of the benefits to being a terrible player 

terrible. sucks. they shouldn't do it. Its a lousy win. terrible. is there any way chess.com could catch them and stop it? Its a very new phenomenon to me so I haven't been reading forums on that topic. 

I'm really disgusted and disappointed to read this. I'm sorry too, for you to have this experience. I've probably had it too, I'm just too lousy a player to discern the difference. 

These days engines are easily available. Certainly I would blame convinience and easily availibility. The situation is going to be worsen day by day. Gone are the days when a a six month course was required to operate Arena.

Yep..its very common.

Are we talking about live chess? Or online? I doubt anyone under 2000 is using engines in live chess...

Okay that seems more reasonable... Are you reporting them? Chess.com is good at catching them if you point them out!

Sorry to hear that... I think you're ovestimating the problem though.

interesting, I had no idea. and thanks to the poster who clarified that the engine use is in correspondence chess and not in the live chess at my level. I don't play much cc chess; it seems that cc chess is very scholarly, and I'm not chess scholar. It seems like a very high level of sophistication is needed to discern this kind of stuff.

Are you in touch with ponz? I'm not sure of his full screen name, but something like ponz. And firebrandx, Both of those are very experienced and accomplished cc players and both are active on here. I imagine you know them. they're both very serious and decent people. 

ponz111

Why not just play unrated and get all the fun of the fair, and make it a waste of time for anyone to cheat?

Nobody gets an accolade for having a high rating anyway.

so who suffered,and how you going to prevent it even on Icc ? If you block 100per cent engine players they will play the occasional -0.13 move to fool the new system. More interesting question-why T F do it? Who you think is impressed? Shit firt two games weren't they?

Just one frog's opinion, and I mean this only in a constructive way, but you either enjoy playing chess or you don't.  If you only enjoy winning or your rating, maybe you should re-evaluate why you play or find another game.

You can't really characterize turn-based as cheating and bullet/blitz as clean...there are plenty of fast time control cheaters around as well.  Most of those 2000-2400 untitled blitz players with sub-1800 standard ratings, I would hazard to guess.

interesting. hmmm, but if I took my chess seriously, took it as serious fun, and realized that my opponent was cheating, even though I was doing it for fun I would have an emotional response to realizing they were cheating, and it wouldn't be a pretty emotion...you can't rationalize away emotions. Richieand Oprah has an emotional response (anger, disappointment, disdain, disgust) that is perfectly understandable, and that would take some of the fun out of playing. 

I repeat. Play unrated and there will be no point in your opponent cheating?

I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would cheat at internet chess. I can dig why a person might attempt it during an OTB tournament. Avarice. There is money on the line. Not that it makes it right to do so, but the motive is understandable. What can possibly be gained by cheating here? Any rating points you recieve are false ones. A 1300 player that cheats their way to 2000 is still a 1300 player. First time he/she plays someone over the board their going to get their ass handed to them. A cheater certainly isn't LEARNING anything by his/her actions. I just don't get it. I play to get better and learn. If I lose, that's fine. I learned something and hopefully won't make the same mistakes again. Very strange that players cheat for no discernible reason or gain. Losing a game isn't a terrible thing. Losing one's HONOR certainly is though....

You can't really go off standard live ratings.  I think most U1800 standard ratings are fine but anyone above that I'm suspicious... because I've seen titled players with 1500 standard ratings and a minus score against 1600 rated players... it's a very odd rating.

Find someone with an +1800 rating and very few losses and pick a game at random... you'll see what I mean.

Posts 32 and 33 explain my point well.

Thanks bobyyyy and Spiritbro77!