Get Your Games Analyzed & Annotated By Chess University Coaches

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Early bird pricing on our game analysis packages ends this month. Until end of April you can get one of your games analyzed and annotated by our coaches for $19 or get 11 games analyzed for just $149. These packages cater to students below 1800 Elo.


Take advantage of our early bird pricing here:
https://chessuniversityshop.com/collections/game-analysis

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Hi. I am learning and analyis to my play. It's posible ?

Thank you. Have a good day.

Petros

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What happens after we order?

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@dannyhume,

After you order, you get contacted by a TA within two business days and can then send your games by providing links in an email or sending .pgn attachments.

 

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How is the rating of the people analysing the games? It makes certainly a difference if a game is analysed by a 1800 or a 2200 player, right?
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 Level of the coaches analyzing the games is generally 2000+ Elo. No, unless students are above 1800 Elo (FIDE), they don't need a 2200+ coach to analyze the game.

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GeniusKJ wrote:

 Level of the coaches analyzing the games is generally 2000+ Elo. No, unless students are above 1800 Elo (FIDE), they don't need a 2200+ coach to analyze the game.

Paying twenty dollars to have some expert analyze one of your games seems kind of much, don't you think?

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Klauer wrote:
Taskinen wrote:
GeniusKJ wrote:

 Level of the coaches analyzing the games is generally 2000+ Elo. No, unless students are above 1800 Elo (FIDE), they don't need a 2200+ coach to analyze the game.

Paying twenty dollars to have some expert analyze one of your games seems kind of much, don't you think?

Not at all.

If a person does it, this will need more than 30 minutes. If the time used for commenting is more than 1 hour its a real bargain.


When there are masters offering to do the same for 5 dollars a game (if you do a package deal of like 10 games), it seems like a rather absurd price to me.

Oh well, each to their own.

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Taskinen wrote:
Klauer wrote:
Taskinen wrote:
GeniusKJ wrote:

 Level of the coaches analyzing the games is generally 2000+ Elo. No, unless students are above 1800 Elo (FIDE), they don't need a 2200+ coach to analyze the game.

Paying twenty dollars to have some expert analyze one of your games seems kind of much, don't you think?

Not at all.

If a person does it, this will need more than 30 minutes. If the time used for commenting is more than 1 hour its a real bargain.


When there are masters offering to do the same for 5 dollars a game (if you do a package deal of like 10 games), it seems like a rather absurd price to me.

Oh well, each to their own.

 

Teaching ability is far more important than chess strength. I'd often rather recommend a $40/hr expert coach to a friend than a $10/hr master who cannot teach well. Our prices for game analysis are low (and basically the lowest we could ever offer this service at). A qualified master coach often charges over $40 per game analysis.

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 Besides, it's not just "game analysis." Chess University is the world's leading online chess academy. Our goal isn't to look at games and tell you what you did wrong. Our goal is to help you learn from this mistakes and improve your play. Hence our analyses are filled with other tips and guidance for the students.

Within a few months, Chess University will have done over $1 million in sales. Students love and cherish what we offer. Though, I must say our game analysis service is underrated. Try out a one game analysis and see how it goes!

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petrip wrote:
Taskinen wrote:
Klauer wrote:
Taskinen wrote:
GeniusKJ wrote:

 Level of the coaches analyzing the games is generally 2000+ Elo. No, unless students are above 1800 Elo (FIDE), they don't need a 2200+ coach to analyze the game.

Paying twenty dollars to have some expert analyze one of your games seems kind of much, don't you think?

Not at all.

If a person does it, this will need more than 30 minutes. If the time used for commenting is more than 1 hour its a real bargain.


When there are masters offering to do the same for 5 dollars a game (if you do a package deal of like 10 games), it seems like a rather absurd price to me.

Oh well, each to their own.

In western world with VAT cost of about work hour goes to 30$.  This is about the price reuqested by companies doing home cleaning. So with 19$ you could expect very quick analysis or crappy pay for the analyzer. 

Labor is expensive


30$ per hour (even including all employer costs, so say 20$ for the employee) is a wage of a professional in the western world. For example, my hour of work doesn't cost even that much to my employer, even though I have multiple years of working experience and a related university degree. So if I were to pay similar hourly costs for someone else's hour of work, I would expect them to have the necessary qualifications for said job. In my opinion, 20 dollars for one game annotation by expert level player is extremely pricey for what I'm expecting to learn from it. For the same price I can buy a fully annotated book of master games, by a renowned author. Yes, it's might not be my game and mistakes, but I think 100 well annotated master games teaches me much more than experts annotation of my mistakes in one game.

Besides, there are a lot of class A - expert level players offering free advice on these forums, if you just post your own annotated games there. How can I be certain that the person doing the analysis doesn't just plug in stockfish and then write down the crucial mistakes in 10 minutes?

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GeniusKJ wrote:

 Besides, it's not just "game analysis." Chess University is the world's leading online chess academy. Our goal isn't to look at games and tell you what you did wrong. Our goal is to help you learn from this mistakes and improve your play. Hence our analyses are filled with other tips and guidance for the students.

Within a few months, Chess University will have done over $1 million in sales. Students love and cherish what we offer. Though, I must say our game analysis service is underrated. Try out a one game analysis and see how it goes!


Good for you.

For me money doesn't grow in a tree, however, so I'll have to pass the opportunity.

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DeirdreSkye wrote:
GeniusKJ wrote:

 Besides, it's not just "game analysis." Chess University is the world's leading online chess academy. Our goal isn't to look at games and tell you what you did wrong. Our goal is to help you learn from this mistakes and improve your play. Hence our analyses are filled with other tips and guidance for the students.

Within a few months, Chess University will have done over $1 million in sales. Students love and cherish what we offer. Though, I must say our game analysis service is underrated. Try out a one game analysis and see how it goes!

     Yes, Kardashians and Lady Gaga have done much more sales but I still consider them lame.

     Your prices are unreasonable and your sales only show how many are in  desperate need to find something that will make them play better and nothing else. Often a student will have to play 19$ so that a guy tells him" careful not to blunder"(if there is a blunder determining the result, all the rest of the analysis is obviously useless so it's 19$ for 4 words).The value of the money is greatly determined by the quality of the game.But the problem is that this is for those who don't have quality on their game(under 1800).You basically know that analysing low rated games is a piece of cake and 19$ is the fee of a guy that will do a 1-2 minutes reading of the game with an engine and a 5-8 minutes typing.So 19$ for 4 words or 10 minutes work is quite overpriced(4.75$ a word or1.9$ a minute or 114$ an hour) to offer something of very doubtful value.

    Why I call it "doubtful value"? Because the most important for novices is to analyse their games on their own and then compare with the analysis of a better player.You should demand a game with the thoughts of the players, since they have to do the hard work, but you don't as this will obviously reduce the sales. So it's the sales the goal and not the student's improvement.The student's improvement , when and if it ever happens, is only a happy coincidence.


Well said Deirdre.

I wanted to try out how long does it take to write a proper analysis of a game. I took the latest rapid game I played and wrote this. It took me about 40 minutes:


If I was a better player, more familiar with the annotating program I used (Tarrasch), and faster at checking my conclusions with an engine, I could write annotations like these much faster. And I can only assume that an expert or a master that does this for money would get these done much faster to increase their hourly pay.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an example of a paid analysis, and I don't want to spend 19 dollars just to get an example.

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petrip wrote:
Taskinen wrote:


30$ per hour (even including all employer costs, so say 20$ for the employee) is a wage of a professional in the western world. For example, my hour of work doesn't cost even that much to my employer, even though I have multiple years of working experience and a related university degree

Oh it does cost them A lot more since you are Finland lets count it. If wage is 20€, side costs and vacatin salaries make it about 30€ and then VAT makes it 37€. SO this would outright 0 profit cost which cannot sustain any operation. There are always other costs involved. Like materials, marketing, sales and managent. 

Wage x 2 is minimum pricing  to brakeeven. usually I woudl recommend a minimun Pi x Wage. 

So with 20$ billing the reviewer gets at most 10$ for his work. Probably not that much. People who sell 5$ a game have live in thrird world country. Or make living on somethig else and not pay taxes onthe income


First of all my salary is nowhere near 20€ a hour, more like 14€/h before taxes. On a field where I have a degree, expertise and a steady job. I'm questioning whether some chess amateur writing computer assisted annotations about beginners games should be receiving the same hourly salary for what they do. Because writing an annotation for a game doesn't take a hour. Nor can it in any way offer enough value in terms of learning for the student to be worth 20 bucks. 

If I had the expertise, I'd gladly write annotated games for 5 bucks a piece. I'd say it's a pretty good money for something that is not only fun to do, but also helps you to learn the game in the same time. Of course chess professionals with highest level titles have the option of pricing their services as they see fit, and only the most ambitious and serious chess players would see some return for the value.

But like I said, with something like 20$ per annotated game, I'd at least expect to have a master fully annotate it (with at least 500 words of text), and still I would consider twice. And come to a conclusion, that even in that case it would still offer very little learning value compared to the cost. Of course I might go for it just to have some grandmaster look at my game, but in that case the value would be more superficial than actually benefitting my game.

Like I said, pricing with things like this has to compare with other services and products. With 20 dollars you can already get a fully annotated book of master games, or hours of video tutorials, or a full hour with a master on a Skype to discuss anything you want chess related. In comparison, one game analysis feels rather shallow to say the least.

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Taskinen wrote:
petrip wrote:
Taskinen wrote:
Klauer wrote:
Taskinen wrote:
GeniusKJ wrote:

 Level of the coaches analyzing the games is generally 2000+ Elo. No, unless students are above 1800 Elo (FIDE), they don't need a 2200+ coach to analyze the game.

Paying twenty dollars to have some expert analyze one of your games seems kind of much, don't you think?

Not at all.

If a person does it, this will need more than 30 minutes. If the time used for commenting is more than 1 hour its a real bargain.


When there are masters offering to do the same for 5 dollars a game (if you do a package deal of like 10 games), it seems like a rather absurd price to me.

Oh well, each to their own.

In western world with VAT cost of about work hour goes to 30$.  This is about the price reuqested by companies doing home cleaning. So with 19$ you could expect very quick analysis or crappy pay for the analyzer. 

Labor is expensive


30$ per hour (even including all employer costs, so say 20$ for the employee) is a wage of a professional in the western world. For example, my hour of work doesn't cost even that much to my employer, even though I have multiple years of working experience and a related university degree. So if I were to pay similar hourly costs for someone else's hour of work, I would expect them to have the necessary qualifications for said job. In my opinion, 20 dollars for one game annotation by expert level player is extremely pricey for what I'm expecting to learn from it. For the same price I can buy a fully annotated book of master games, by a renowned author. Yes, it's might not be my game and mistakes, but I think 100 well annotated master games teaches me much more than experts annotation of my mistakes in one game.

Besides, there are a lot of class A - expert level players offering free advice on these forums, if you just post your own annotated games there. How can I be certain that the person doing the analysis doesn't just plug in stockfish and then write down the crucial mistakes in 10 minutes?

 

There's a difference between any "Class A" players and cream of the crop coaches at Chess University, an academy endorsed by individuals such as five-time world champion Vishy Anand. Historically, our acceptance rate of instructors is less than 5%. Of 100 masters that apply, we select the absolute best (at teaching) to help our students.

Most people in the U.S. pay over $40-50/hr for private lessons in the U.S. What we are offering is a less expensive alternative (for game analysis). If you were around at chess.com several years back, you would be familiar with me because I was the #1-selling coach on the site. But private lessons, while great, quickly get pricey which is we created Chess University. Ultimately, what our academy does is provide high-quality chess instruction at affordable prices. We understand that not everybody can afford chess services but that's fine. Nobody is forced to purchase any of our services.

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We publish such announcements on forums because there are many chess players in the U.S. who would quickly jump on the offer, knowing how much it would save them over what they currently pay private coaches to get their games analyzed.

Folks who attend physical chess academies are quick to notice the price and quality difference between us and them.

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DeirdreSkye wrote:

 

    The "offer" from Chess University is very doubtful. Why one pay 19$ for a highly doubtful learning tool(an analysis from an unknown guy) when he can pay the same money for a good book that will certainly be a valuable learning tool?

    Sokolov's book Winning chess middlegames cost 20$ and it is invaluable in terms of chess knowledge and content.

    If you want to pay that money , this book worths 10 times it's value. 

    

 

Chess is a game of skill, not just a game of content. Learning chess is not similar to say, learning history. Most players require some type of personalized understanding of their game and guidance for improvement to save time and optimize their learning. Just reading books won't do it.

Before Chess University existed, I used to pay WAY more to get the same type of analysis and guidance from a qualified coach. It was worth it (for me) because ultimately it saved me a lot of time when learning chess.

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RedGirlZ wrote:

11 games for $149, Lol, cuz everyone on chess.com is rolling neck deep in 100's.

hahahaha

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UseYourPotential wrote:

I have yet to see an example game analyzed.

 

What I would like is the same person to analyze my games. This way, they can help me through the learning process as opposed to a new person each time trying to figure out where my weaknesses are and where I am repeating mistakes.

 

Here are samples:

https://chessuniversity.com/wp-content/plugins/cbreplay/view.php?fileurl=https://chessuniversity.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Sample-Annotations.pgn