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DORAEMONCHESS
petrip wrote:
VULPES_VULPES wrote:

I don't know how good I am, but I estimate myself to be around 30-40kyu

No one is 40 kyu. Well at the beginning of the game maybe but one tends learn during one game enough to more than 30k

Go aint that hard.... At beginner level. Like in any game 1st steps tend to be easy

YES, YES, YES! 1st steps are always easy!

VULPES_VULPES
DORAEMONCHESS wrote:
petrip wrote:
VULPES_VULPES wrote:

I don't know how good I am, but I estimate myself to be around 30-40kyu

No one is 40 kyu. Well at the beginning of the game maybe but one tends learn during one game enough to more than 30k

Go aint that hard.... At beginner level. Like in any game 1st steps tend to be easy

YES, YES, YES! 1st steps are always easy!

weird

the site says generally nobody is more than 50 kyu

DORAEMONCHESS

What site?

batgirl

From  How The Young Edward Lasker Learned About Go by Jerald E. Pinto and published in the June, 1981 issue of The American Go Journal:



One day I was at the library of the University of Berlin. At that time, that is, in 1905, I was a student of electrical engineering. With me at the library was a fellow student, a mathematician, and we happened on a large magazine with a treatment of Go. [Oskar sbc] Korschelt [who helped popularize Go in Europe sbc], the author, gave many old Japanese games and explained the game quite thoroughly, but what struck us was the article's title :Das Go Spiele, ein Konkurrent des Schachs, that is 'Go: A rival of chess' [published in the journal Mitteilungen der Deutschen Gesellschaft für Natur und Völkerkunde Ostasiens in 1880 sbc]  which seemed a humorous claim. Well, we glanced through the article and learned the rules in the few minutes that takes.

Then one day at the cafe in Berlin where the Chessplayers used to gather in the afternoon my friend Max Lange and I saw a Japanese reading a Japanese paper, on the back of which we noticed a Go diagram. We thought 'Well, that's remarkable'; we knew, of course, about chess columns, but Go columns? We didn't know what to think, so we waited until the fellow was gone and took the paper down from the newspaper rack. We put ourselves to deciphering the diagram. The problem lay in decoding the Japanese numerals the diagram used, but although we hadn't actually played more than a game or two of Go, we worked things out without too much trouble. So we went through the game, but after 120 or 150 moves things came to a stop, and there was some notation.

We waited until a few days later we saw another Japanese customer at the cafe, whom we approached to ask whether he would mind telling us what that notation meant. Oh, first it seemed obvious to us that it must say 'White resigns', since Black had an enormous army and there didn't seem to be any reasonable continuation for White, or else something like 'Game adjourned'. Well, the gentleman said, 'Certainly, "Black resigns!" When we heard that we decided that we would really have to give a good look at the game, and we took the newspaper. About 3 weeks later Max Lange called to say that he had found a sacrificial continuation for White ending in the capture of the Black army 22 moves later. Then we really started to play Go in earnest.



Now it should be explained that the Max Lange referred to here wasn't the Max Lange, the great player, writer and analyzer (who had died in 1899) but rather his son, Max Lange the second, who was born in 1883. Max Lange the younger even moved to Japan in 1920, an unfortunate decision since three years later he was killed (along with about 140,000 others) in the Great Kantō earthquake of 1923. Lange had written one book in 1914 entitled, Das Schachspiel, und seine strategischen Prinzipien, which attempted to apply mathematical principles to the understanding of chess.

LupinIIIPlaysChess

Wow.... that's how the Edward Lasker came to play go.... Is ther any other games that's as simple as Go, and Arimaa?

VULPES_VULPES
DORAEMONCHESS wrote:

What site?

the playing server you gave me

DORAEMONCHESS
VULPES_VULPES wrote:
DORAEMONCHESS wrote:

What site?

the playing server you gave me

Ahhh, ther's no such thing as a 50-kyu. The lowest rank you could get is a 30 kyu... That 's like the lowest of the low

VULPES_VULPES
DORAEMONCHESS wrote:
VULPES_VULPES wrote:
DORAEMONCHESS wrote:

What site?

the playing server you gave me

Ahhh, ther's no such thing as a 50-kyu. The lowest rank you could get is a 30 kyu... That 's like the lowest of the low

then that's me :P

DORAEMONCHESS

heh... You will improve. Just keep on playing, learning, and do reviews!

VULPES_VULPES
DORAEMONCHESS wrote:

heh... You will improve. Just keep on playing, learning, and do reviews!

Okay.

Also, I just played a game. Can you look at it?

LupinIIIPlaysChess

All right... what's your username?

VULPES_VULPES
LupinIIIPlaysChess wrote:

All right... what's your username?

who-me?

same as my chess.com username

DORAEMONCHESS

Wow... Vulpes, your playing is worse than I expected.........  All right! That game is on, and I will sure teach you something!

DORAEMONCHESS

by the way, your direction of play isn't that bad.. for the game vs. Tholan, you did play some good moves.

zembrianator

how long does it take to finish a Go game?

I know the answer is varied, but for example there are some set time controls on chess.com, and a 10 minute per side game is a pretty good balance. It gives a novice chess player like me roughly enough time to think and play, and I also know that I won't spend any longer than 20 minutes on the game.

so with a little practice in Go, what'a good time for a beginner game on a 13x13, and a 19x19?  Are there agreed upon standard time controls for these go games, on the online go servers?

Time controls that a novice go player would be able to work in?

VULPES_VULPES
DORAEMONCHESS wrote:

Wow... Vulpes, your playing is worse than I expected.........  All right! That game is on, and I will sure teach you something!

Yeah, I know. I always said my playing was bad.

@"Tholan's" game, how'd it good?

ArcadesGriffith
VULPES_VULPES escribió:

Can either of you (Doraemon or ArcadeGriffin) PM me Go lessons?

I would be glad to teach you (if you can tolerate my bad english) its just bad luck i dont see you online most of the time xDD, but i can totally teach you in KGS or the platform you need (Doraemon, i can teach you some things to improve too ;D)

VULPES_VULPES
ArcadesGriffith wrote:
VULPES_VULPES escribió:

Can either of you (Doraemon or ArcadeGriffin) PM me Go lessons?

I would be glad to teach you (if you can tolerate my bad english) its just bad luck i dont see you online most of the time xDD, but i can totally teach you in KGS or the platform you need (Doraemon, i can teach you some things to improve too ;D)

I have an account on online-go.com now - with the same username

DORAEMONCHESS

Sure, Griffiths, and Vulpes, I did a review on your game vs. Goku21. White should have won, but he ran out of time... so, you're lucky. Griffiths, which website do you usually go on?

YeOldeWildman

The guy who taught me to play back in the 1970's said the general consensus is that an absolute beginner fresh out of a first lesson learning the moves is about 36 kyu.  The good news is that it doesn't take very long to get up to 10 kyu (where serious ratings begin) if you work at it.  So I'm guessing 10 kyu is something like 1000-1200 ELO in terms of time investment.