Hmmm, I see Fide lists Gwaze as IM. That link I posted might have been a little optimistic.
greatest african american chess player
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Kingpatzer wrote:
rooperi wrote:
Sorry, but that term really bugs me.....
Given that the very notion of "race" has no scientific basis and is rooted not in biology but in social constructs stemming from an opressive past, at least "African-American" is meaningfully descriptive of something (for those who have a sense of their ancestory).
( meaningful description ?) What the hell are u drinking ? So-called African Americans are from U.S.of A . not African. This is a word game used in effort to separate in lanquage, what is not true in fact. We do not say German Americans or Jewish, Irish, etc. Of course people become citizens all the time,.....they are americans.
Kingpatzer wrote:
rooperi wrote:
Sorry, but that term really bugs me.....
Given that the very notion of "race" has no scientific basis and is rooted not in biology but in social constructs stemming from an opressive past, at least "African-American" is meaningfully descriptive of something (for those who have a sense of their ancestory).
"Race" has no scientific basis? Utter Bolshoi!
Karapovian wrote:
"Race" has no scientific basis? Utter Bolshoi!
It has a scientific basis, social sciences though, not genetics or biology. See the article I linked.
And of course, there's my old mate Watu, He first kicked my butt when he was a 12 or 13 year old skinny wide eyed lad. Got up to 2 GM norms, never made the 3rd :(
http://main.uschess.org/content/view/142/195
Maurice Ashley quote: "... I am the first Black GM in history...it matters, and doesn't matter, all at the same time."
Jan 22, 2013
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Kingpatzer wrote:
Karapovian wrote:
"Race" has no scientific basis? Utter Bolshoi!
It has a scientific basis, social sciences though, not genetics or biology. See the article I linked.
Wow, this is the last line of the article:
"This new construction of race…is socially inflected—but it is not solely a social construct because biology is front and center.”
The article was just focusing on how 99.9% of our DNA is the same, and that we share a common ancestry in Africa.
Jan 22, 2013
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Ubik42 wrote:
http://main.uschess.org/content/view/142/195
Maurice Ashley quote: "... I am the first Black GM in history...it matters, and doesn't matter, all at the same time."
That's a great way to put it.
Bernard Parham pioneered a system known as Matrix Chess, and achieved the title of Master with it. This led to other players such as Nakamura trying the Parham Attack.
Yes, but Benard Parham was probably the most famous example of use, and also Seirawan isn't african american 
I met Maurice Ashley once. He showed me a chess problem and asked for the answer, and I said, "Move the... um..." and he said, "The um is not a chess piece." Lol.
Jan 22, 2013
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Seirawan was born in Syria. He doesn't even hold the record for being America's best Asian American chess player!
Kingpatzer wrote:
Karapovian wrote:
"Race" has no scientific basis? Utter Bolshoi!
It has a scientific basis, social sciences though, not genetics or biology. See the article I linked.
According to the article you linked --
“We are all Africans under the skin.” (direct quote, Spencer Wells)
And since Africans (being the oldest) have the greatest genetic diversity, that shifts this dicussion to -- who is the greatest human chess player?
The OP has recreated the Fischer versus Kasparov versus "Whomever is the Greatest Chess Player" thread, yet again! 
We Chessplayers sometimes get stuck in infinite loops. No surprises there.
Nuff said?
Jan 23, 2013
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zborg wrote:
Kingpatzer wrote:
Karapovian wrote:
"Race" has no scientific basis? Utter Bolshoi!
It has a scientific basis, social sciences though, not genetics or biology. See the article I linked.
According to the article you linked --
“We are all Africans under the skin.” (direct quote, Spencer Wells)
And since Africans (being the oldest) have the greatest genetic diversity, that shifts this dicussion to -- who is the greatest human chess player?
The OP has recreated the Fischer versus Kasparov versus whomever thread, yet again!
We Chessplayers sometimes get stuck in infinite loops. No surprises there.
Nuff said?
Perpetual draws.
This is what he looks like-
| Maurice Ashley | |
|---|---|
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| Full name | Maurice Ashley |
| Country | United States |
| Born | March 6, 1966 St. Andrew, Jamaica |
| Title | Grandmaster |
| FIDE rating | 2443 (January 2013) |
I thought such banter was hilarious.
Only two other black Grandmasters in the world exists-
| Pontus Carlsson | |
|---|---|
 Pontus Carlsson, 2007 |
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| Full name | Pontus Carlsson |
| Country |  Sweden |
| Born | December 18, 1982 Cali, Colombia |
| Title | Grandmaster (GM) |
| FIDE rating | 2520 (January 2013) |
| Peak rating | 2515 (October 2008) |
Amon Simutowe of Zambia FIDE-2486 (2008)
These were the only three I could find.
rooperi wrote:
And of course, there's my old mate Watu, He first kicked my butt when he was a 12 or 13 year old skinny wide eyed lad. Got up to 2 GM norms, never made the 3rd :(
Are you saying that you are Judit Polgar?
Timothy_P wrote:
rooperi wrote:
And of course, there's my old mate Watu, He first kicked my butt when he was a 12 or 13 year old skinny wide eyed lad. Got up to 2 GM norms, never made the 3rd :(
Are you saying that you are Judit Polgar?
No, just that I'm in real good company, losing to WK,
Amon Simutowe doesn't seem to have played since 2010 and he's currently living in the US it seems.
For whatever reason, FIDE doesn't list ANY players currently claiming Zambia or Zimbabwe as their home countries. Maybe it's just a temporary glitch in the system.