Guess the Elo, patzer 1 vs patzer 2

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Guess the Elo of these patzers.

Time control: 3 min blitz with no increment.

This might be a good example for @GothamChess to discuss it (but of course he shouldn't read the rest of this post).

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I'll breakdown my thoughts on key moments:
6. Bd3? was the first sign of trouble, inhibiting white's centre.
22...Nc3 led me to believe that Black was higher rated, and my thoughts were confirmed with white's atrocious reply 23. Rf1?? completely ignoring the tactic. (Re1 was a far better option, overdefending the bishop).
Black gradually begins to apply pressure from here after winning the piece.
36. Ra1 followed immediately by 37. Rf1 was extremely painful
Some more shuffling follows, with white's final desperate 42. Rc8 as a hopeful attempt to capitalize on a premove.
Overall black played consistent, nothing amazing beyond tactical vision and 'passed pawns must be pushed' principles. Performance rating of about 1500-1550 but I wouldn't be surprised with something in the 1400's.
White on the other hand had a terrible crack and on many occasions wasted time nervously shuffling his/her rook backwards and forwards. Performance rating of about 1100-1150. Wouldn't be surprised if they were a 900 or 950 to be honest.
Overall seems like a game between two 1300's, with one outplaying the other through a simple tactic and maintaining an advantage through to victory.

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@Malishious, Nice thought process! let's see what the others will guess, I'll tell it later today.

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TCSPlayer wrote:

@Malishious, Nice thought process! let's see what the others will guess, I'll tell it later today.

Thank you! I'm always uncertain about guessing elos, cause the time control for this game wasn't given and for all I know these are two titled players who got very very drunk playing bulletwink.png
Hopefully the breakdown explained why I picked 1300 ;D

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@Malishious, The time control was 3 min blitz game with no increment. I thought at the start it is written 180 seconds, but I also couldn't see it, I've updated the post.

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900

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Why are you calling them patzers?

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They know me and they don’t mind if I call them patzer
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I'm not sure what their ratings are, but black played fairly well. They continually improved their position, put pressure on the center, and placed their pieces on logical squares. A few of their moves weren't the "best" moves, but they were still always reasonable and logical.

White, meanwhile, played a lot of random maneuvers, as if, once they'd finished developing their pieces, they weren't quite sure what to do. After seeing this game, I feel inclined to remind white to "use your c-pawn!". Especially when black has planted a firm pawn on d5. That c-pawn belongs on c4 there, where it can help put pressure on black's center.

Whatever their ratings, I would say that black was a more experienced player than white.

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Stil1 wrote:

I'm not sure what their ratings are, but black played fairly well. They continually improved their position, put pressure on the center, and placed their pieces on logical squares. A few of their moves weren't the "best" moves, but they were still always reasonable and logical.

White, meanwhile, played a lot of random maneuvers, as if, once they'd finished developing their pieces, they weren't quite sure what to do. After seeing this game, I feel inclined to remind white to "use your c-pawn!". Especially when black has planted a firm pawn on d5. That c-pawn belongs on c4 there, where it can help put pressure on black's center.

Whatever their ratings, I would say that black was a more experienced player than white.

I'd be inclined to agree with this evaluation, white had a far weaker grasp on the position and didn't have much of a game plan at all

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Malishious wrote:
Stil1 wrote:

I'm not sure what their ratings are, but black played fairly well. They continually improved their position, put pressure on the center, and placed their pieces on logical squares. A few of their moves weren't the "best" moves, but they were still always reasonable and logical.

White, meanwhile, played a lot of random maneuvers, as if, once they'd finished developing their pieces, they weren't quite sure what to do. After seeing this game, I feel inclined to remind white to "use your c-pawn!". Especially when black has planted a firm pawn on d5. That c-pawn belongs on c4 there, where it can help put pressure on black's center.

Whatever their ratings, I would say that black was a more experienced player than white.

I'd be inclined to agree with this evaluation, white had a far weaker grasp on the position and didn't have much of a game plan at all

Read your bio. You have written -"A piece is only hanging if your opponent sees it."

And now I can't stop laughing...😅😂😂

 

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Srinibas_Masanta wrote:
Malishious wrote:
Stil1 wrote:

I'm not sure what their ratings are, but black played fairly well. They continually improved their position, put pressure on the center, and placed their pieces on logical squares. A few of their moves weren't the "best" moves, but they were still always reasonable and logical.

White, meanwhile, played a lot of random maneuvers, as if, once they'd finished developing their pieces, they weren't quite sure what to do. After seeing this game, I feel inclined to remind white to "use your c-pawn!". Especially when black has planted a firm pawn on d5. That c-pawn belongs on c4 there, where it can help put pressure on black's center.

Whatever their ratings, I would say that black was a more experienced player than white.

I'd be inclined to agree with this evaluation, white had a far weaker grasp on the position and didn't have much of a game plan at all

Read your bio. You have written -"A piece is only hanging if your opponent sees it."

And now I can't stop laughing...😅😂😂

 

I can relate to your bio as well, sometimes I feel like a complete and utter newbiecry.png

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hi

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Here is the answer: both players were 2300+, white had even a slightly higher rating, but as all you pointed, white already in opening played a bit strange, gave up an unnecessary pawn and in the rest played like a complete patzer. I have no idea how white was that bad and still 2300 (happens you blunder a piece but he/she had many mistakes).
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Spacede blunders twice then accused the winner of cheating. What a fraud.

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TCSPlayer wrote:
Here is the answer: both players were 2300+, white had even a slightly higher rating, but as all you pointed, white already in opening played a bit strange, gave up an unnecessary pawn and in the rest played like a complete patzer. I have no idea how white was that bad and still 2300 (happens you blunder a piece but he/she had many mistakes).

2300's!! I would never have guessed, they really must've been having a bad day. I wish I had a 2300 play that poorly against me playhand.png

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If white 2300 then I literally have no excuse for being 1200
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@Malishious, black had an accuracy of 92% according to engine, above normal accuracy of a 2300 player in blitz games (even more than average accuracy in rapid games), it clearly wasn’t spectacular but not a bad day definitely. But white played poorly, maybe like 1300-1400 as you said.
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White's play, for a 2300, was quite confusing. Several of the moves seemed to lack any sort of logic or plan.

I wonder if they were merely blitzing out unusual moves, with the goal of playing fast and causing confusion.

Sometimes players can get away with this, by pouncing on any tactical blunders that the opponent stumbles into. (Hikaru does this quite well, when he plays the Bongcloud.)

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@Stil1, white played confusingly bad. The part that I didn’t understand is why he/she didn’t show any resistance. A 2300 player, even a 2000 player, will try to mix the things up and not waiting for getting slaughtered.

White started an interesting plan of pushing King side pawns, then at some point decided to do nothing. That plan most likely wouldn’t get it anywhere but white had to continue it for creating any possible complications. It was very strange play by white (bad day is when you blunder too much, but this is not just about the blunder no plan no counter attack). I couldn’t understand it as well.
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