Guess What ? There was NO big bang !

Sort:
Avatar of Jimmykay
afistfullofkippers wrote:

Does the universe even have a size ?

I believe it is a men's size 7. But we are are expecting growth, so if you are buying clothes, keep your receipt.

Avatar of michael432000
Pikay wrote:

#1, If there was no moment of origin of the universe, all light elements (specially hydrogen) would already have been burnt up in star nuclei and we should see no shining stars. As a rule, all stars die. If the universe has been forever, there should be no more live stars because there should have been no star fuel (hydrogen) left to burn up anymore.

#2, The galaxies are moving away from each other at unimaginable speeds. This is an observed fact, not a theory. If the universe has been forever, the distane between the galaxies should be near-infinite and we shouldn't have been able to observe any galaxy in the univer other than our own.

#3, There is a process known as "radioactive decay" in which some heavy elements gradually break down into smaller elements which are stable and don't decay further. We have lots of radioactive heavy elements still present in vast amounts in the universe (take for example uranium and plutonium found in large amounts on our own earth). If the universe has been since time infinite, all these heavy elements should already have decayed into stable elements and we should not have any uranium, plutonium etc anywhere in the universe.

Now to the debate of God's versus universe's eternity. As a rule, we have to take someone/something as eternal. The problem with the eternity of universe has been discussed in the above 3 points. Matter cannot be eternal because there are several processes acting on matter (fission and fusion being the two most important ones) which only go one-way. The question "If God created the universe then who created God?" appears logical, but in fact is illogical. Using the same faulty rationality, one could ask:

If Edison invented the light bulb, then who invented Edison?

If Sidney Sheldon wrote a novel, then who wrote Sidney Sheldon?

If Microsoft programmed Windows 8, then who programmed Microsoft?

The theme here is that we are made of matter, so we can raise questions about the origin of matter. The presumed creator's (God's) existence is one step above our existence so we cannot ask (or understand) any question about the origin of God. Here is the reason why:

We live in a universe made up of matter, energy, time and space. Assuming God created all these things then God himself would be an entity for whom there is no time or space and who is not made of matter. Can our minds grasp the idea of any such entity who exists beyond the time-space frame? Someone who exists, and yet is not made of matter. Can we claim to truly understand such an entity?

No, we cannot.

When we totally immerse ourselves in material existence then we start to believe we are simply material beings and lose the ability to see the unique divine spark in every human being. In this consciousness our world eventually becomes dead and meaningless. 

Avatar of Ziggy_Zugzwang
Avatar of Thunder_Kitten
Pikay wrote:

Before we observe them, how would we know whether their existence is diffused or specific? It's like saying, before we see a tiger, it's existence is diffused all around in the jungle. For the sake of our knowledge, yes it is. But you really think a tiger is diffused all over the jungle before we observe it?

http://youtu.be/LW6Mq352f0E

Avatar of oldwoof

There are also (probably) no Clingons ! A friend has been involved in modeling how and why the Earth holds so much water on its surface as liquid. This is actually a very strange occurance and is linked to the less than expected amount of iron in the Earth's crust. The modeling seems to show that the necessary events that caused this to happen are equivelent to the infinite monkey cage scenario, but it happening several times in a given order. If the availability of water is necessary for the formation of life (as we know it Jim) then the chances of this happening more than once are amazingly small. This may seem desolate, but it also poses the question why are we here at all ? 

This doesn't preclude life evolving as non Carbon/water based, but if it did or has it would be vey different to what we know and would not look like a Clingon.

Avatar of millionairesdaughter

We are here because we are not somewhere else. It's kind of like why do people play chess ? It's because they are not doing something else.

Avatar of fiddletim
Jimmykay wrote:
PilateBlue pontificated:

There won't be a better explanation. There's still a lot we don't know about the big bang but the scientific concensus is that there definitely was one.

You might at least read the article below. The source is certainly legit.

I would never make statements that seem to indicate that science has reached the final truth! I am not saying (nor am I qualified to) that this is goin g to replace the BB model, but a good scientist should be willing to reconsider things.

http://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html

thankyou for this post for this issue and for its links to others. especially appreciated is the link concerning "secondary rotors on wind turbines"