Hans confirmed to be cheating by chess.com (CONCLUSIVE PROOF AND DAMNING EVIDENCE)

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neatgreatfire
Brontide88 wrote:

What I don't understand is the switching of tabs. No one needs to switch tabs in a rapid or blitz game, if the software detects someone doing that, they should be immediately forfeited. Why aren't they?

I often check messages, change my music, etc etc during a game.

snoozyman
UnsidesteppableChess wrote:

 

 

CraigIreland

Switching windows to change your music isn't going to get you banned.

Scottrf

Why did chess.com let him compete in so many money events if he cheated in 100 games?!

Complicit in a fraud.

MorningGlory84

To the low IQ among you: the Chess.com report and FIDE investigation are not synonymous. You're welcome.

Blueshirt
They certainly seem to have been very lenient...
awesome1184
MorningGlory84 wrote:

To the low IQ among you: the Chess.com report and FIDE investigation are not synonymous. You're welcome.

they have equal credibility though.

chess.com has a multi-million dollar anti-cheating engine you uneducated hamster

CraigIreland

I think we have to presume that they didn't know that he'd likely cheated in over 100 matches, before they banned him the second time.

You can see why websites which take consumer money want to keep influencers sweet but would they really just ignore that evidence?

DentonTD

Too often major publications are more concerned about getting the "scoop" than they are about who they libel or the actual facts of the story. As a US Chess Senior TD with over 2,500 tournaments directed, including over 800 run through chess.com, I will simply state what chess.com has stated NUMEROUS times for all that choose to read-a FAIR PLAY violation is NOT
necessarily the same as cheating. In regard to the tournament in St. Louis, from all I have heard about the austere tournament conditions, cheating was simply nigh impossible. Too often claims
to besmirch very talented players abound with truly scant evidence. This is very harmful to the sport I dearly love. And, in my opinion, perhaps far more harmful than whatever cheating actually does occur. 

Rob Jones/DentonTD

Kowarenai
snoozyman wrote:

Plot twist, the man playing over the board was actually an alien wearing a mask.

GASP

awesome1184
Kowarenai wrote:
snoozyman wrote:

Plot twist, the man playing over the board was actually an alien wearing a mask.

GASP

GASP

cokezerochess22

So can we clarify the timing they knew when he likely cheated? is this Info they have had for years and did nothing about or they didn't catch this until now I'm confused?

DentonTD

I have no intention to "bash" chess.com, for they do have difficult decisions to make. And keeping the "elite" of the chess world happy, many of them quite paranoid with online chess anyhow is a major concern. When one plays in a chess.com event, one subjects themselves to Chess.com's Fair Play policy, in which de facto, Chess.com acts as the judge, jury, and executioner, without any sort of meaningful appeal whatsoever. And in the Fair Play policy, there are actually quite a few violations besides cheating, or streaming which can have one's account closed. And unfortunately, this is a factor which major media outlets such as the NY Times and Wall St Journal do not seem to grasp.  Point being that
whatever accusations against those in question exist, until that day when chess.com is willing to publish data supporting, such labeling of players as "cheaters" is in my view

extremely unsportsmanlike and unethical. 
Rob Jones/DentonTD
Tournament Director

juanchitamayo

This is insane, maybe all tournaments should still be playing on a board and not online. Maybe it will help prevent cheaters. 

FredtheAdroit
juanchitamayo wrote:

This is insane, maybe all tournaments should still be playing on a board and not online. Maybe it will help prevent cheaters. 

No one forces anyone to play in online tournaments.   Perhaps they try to clean them up, but if it's too difficult and they continue to be popular and make money, maybe they won't try too hard. 

snoozyman
idilis wrote:
snoozyman wrote:

What I don't get is when he beat Carlsen he said "Chess speaks for itself".

I know it's a meme now but why did he say that? Why did he walk away? Why didn't he explain?

could just be a prepped mic drop statement

 

 

I guess you're right

PapaSmurf2016

The question is still, what was Hans' method for cheating OTB?   

FredtheAdroit
PapaSmurf2016 wrote:

The question is still, what was Hans' method for cheating OTB?   

This is the real question.  I was taught that if I am going to accuse someone of something, I better have proof.  But in this case, no one even has a suggestion as to what Niemann did.

snoozyman

"Chess speaks for itself, that's all I can say. That's it. That's all I can say. It was such a beautiful game I don't even need to describe it. Thank you."

 

- Hans Niemann 2022 US Chess Championship against Christopher Yoo