Hans confirmed to be cheating by chess.com (CONCLUSIVE PROOF AND DAMNING EVIDENCE)

The weird thing is Hans is probably cheating, but probably not in the game against Magnus. But I felt like why did the community had to act on this only when Magnus spoken up, if he did so much cheating why didn’t we and chess.com speak up earlier. 

Chess.com did act, they banned Hans. What else should they do? They are not going to the media with the cheating cases they detect, because they think it is not good for their business interests.

Hans did cheat online and probably did not cheat OTB. The fact that he was caught cheating online should didcourage anyone from trying it online where it is much-much harder and the consequences are much more serious.

The only thing that remains is to hear Magnus about his own evidence. He should definitely spoke up now, otherwise probably he will be the one to be suspoended by FIDE.

The report missed one important event in the timeline... Chess.com was in the process of trying to buy Play Magnus and had 82 million reasons to protect the Magnus brand.  Either they are protecting their investment or trying to appease Magnus to help close the deal.

Chess.com was sitting on this information since 2015 and chose not to do anything about it until Carlsen insinuated Niemann cheated (Sept. 5, 2022).

August 24, 2022 - Chess.com makes an offer to buy Play Magnus Group 

September 4, 2022

• Magnus Carlsen (white pieces) and Hans Niemann (black pieces) play a game at the Sinquefield
  Cup in St. Louis in which Hans wins
• Hans gives a post-game interview

September 5, 2022

• Magnus tweets his withdrawal from the event, linking to a video clip in which a soccer manager can be heard saying, “I prefer really not to speak. If I speak, I am in big trouble.”
• Chess.com emails Hans privately to let him know that his account had been discreetly closed and his invitation to the CGC had been withdrawn.  It has historically been Chess.com’s general policy to handle account suspensions/closures and invitations for titled players (such as Hans) in a non-public manner.

September 6, 2022

• Hans publicly addresses his ban by Chess.com stating that, although he cheated a few years ago when he was 12 and 16 years old, he has never cheated “in a tournament with prize money,” “when I was streaming,” or “in a real game.”

September 8, 2022

• Chess.com sends Hans a letter personally laying out the reasons for the decisions to revoke his
  status on Chess.com and to disinvite him to the CGC,
• Chess.com responds to Hans’ public comments via a tweet

September 27, 2022

• Magnus releases a public statement explaining his “unprecedented professional decision to
  withdraw” from the Sinquefield Cup. He indicates that he “believe[s] that Niemann has cheated
  more – and more recently – than he has publicly admitted.”
   
   

Why can’t he talk about the game? He doesn’t seem to be able to describe what he was thinking, maybe because he wasn’t.

He has been cheating OTB, whether we have found the method or not. Too many events stretch the limits of credibility, from his improvement to his never before seen levels of accuracy across multiple games.

In regard to the media:
a. the NY Times quite often could care less about truth
b. in the case of this article from the Wall St Journal they are VERY UNINFORMED about chess, 
   and truly are utterly clueless as to the subject in which they are reporting, and appear not to
   be able to grasp that can be a HUGE difference between cheating and Fair Play violations.
c. Magnus Carlsen is simply a VERY POOR sport, with a remarkable lack of ethics in this case.
    Being a great chess player is not equal to having great character, and Magus has proved 
    this beyond any shadow of a doubt in this case.

yep he did that and maybe more

Hans fans seem so stuck on someone proving to them that Hans cheated against Magnus, OTB, in the Sinquefield Cup. They do not care that he's a proven cheater. They used to say that it was only once or twice when he was a wee lad. Now it's that it was only 100+ times 2 years ago. They don't care that he's cheated other players out of cash prizes. They don't care that he told bold faced lies in recent interviews about his cheating. They only want to disparage chess.com and Magnus Carlsen, a living legend with zero integrity violations in his entire career, and arguably the best chess player in history. 

If you're still a Hans fan and you're still mad at Magnus, there's nothing that can convince you otherwise. You support cheaters and you lack a fundamental respect for the game. If Magnus Carlson feels like resigning a game, that's his business. If Hans cheats other players out of money, that's everyone's business. 

To anyone remotely educated in statistics and research it is obvious that Hans has spent way more time perfecting his OTB cheating methodology than his whack accent. If you think a 17 year old admitted cheater pathetically begging his way back into chess.com tournaments is two years later somehow the best chess player in history, I've got some beach front property in Nevada you're gonna love. Just send me the cash up front and I'll include a Hans Niemann signed chess board, and a signed basketball from Tim Donaghy. 

There's a possibility Hans didn't cheat against Magnus in Saint Louis. Yet none of you can prove that he did or didn't cheat. What is factual is that Hans will cheat any chance that he gets. If you still enjoy watching this guy defile the game then by all means, enjoy the clown show. 

I'll keep saying this, online play is different from OTB play, yeah Niemenn cheated online (and so did 4 other GMs), but there's no way he could cheat in OTB play, and if he did prove it, but everyone can't prove the fact, people need to get over it. Nuff said...

Magnus Fans seem so stuck on the fact Hans cheated on chess.com years ago. They do not care that he was given a second chance.  They used to say their will be proof he cheated at the Sinquefield Cup.  Now its well he cheated lots online in 2020 and that’s good enough.  They don’t care that magnus didn’t withdraw until after he lost without any evidence.  They only want to destroy a child’s career despite the fact that he’s arguably the best talent in recent years.  

If your still a magnus fan and You’re still mad at Hans, there’s  nothing that can convince you otherwise.  You support cry babies that have a fundamental lack of respect for how the world works.  When magnus ruins a tournament and creates a schism in the chess world its everyone’s business. If Hans wants to play in tournaments he’s invited to that’s his business.  

To anyone even remotely educated in statistics and research its clear there is no scientifically backed proof that he cheated ever OTB or in the last 2 years.  If you think cheating has any relevance to how good someone is at anything I’ve got some basic logic puzzles I give my 12 year old for you to solve at my house.  Just drive on over to me house I’ll even let me 9 year old tutor you.  

There is a possibility Hans cheated against magnus in Saint louis but No one can prove he cheated or didn’t cheat.  What is factual is you don’t have the slightest clue if he’s clean now or not because your not Hans. If you still enjoy fanning the flames with reddit level logic by all means, Enjoy the clown show.

Niemann beat a 2600+ otb yesterday, after defeating Carlsen and both with the black pieces.

Nope, Hans beat a 2563. Hans is rated 125 points higher. The game was close until the end, when Yoo sort of self-destructed. Hans may very well be in the range of 2600 to 2700+, but that doesn't mean he can't be tempted to cheat.

 Or his strength might be less than that. Only time (and truth) will tell...

WHAT K1ND 0F [[fine eating establishment]] 1S THIS??<//?

He is a cancer for chess and sport in general.

No, when he was 16. Less then 3 years ago. And he's cheated in over 100 online games. He was given a second chance after he cheated when he was 12, and did it again. He was even given a third chance, and used it to lie about the amount he cheated. He's a terrible person. I personally don't believe he cheated otb, but he's still terrible.

great minds think alike

Of course he has.

Do you think the guy cares about that? He's just trolling, pure and simple.

Magnus just lost, simple as that, he did not have the skills to win.

But he is a good player, but there are people better than others, I am sure that there are people better at clicking than me (I got like 16 - 20 clicks per second or a cheetah rating on a clicking recorder), but I don't make a big deal out of it.