Hans Niemann Is Innocent and Has Been Reinstated
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Vertwitch
Aug 29, 2023
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#41
Bad that he is allowed back who’s next, Niels ? Cheater rejoice the master is back and celebrates cheaters rejoice
GBTGBA wrote:
Hans receives more hatred than any other player in the history of chess. Therefore, if he doesn't perform well, it's the fault of those who hate on him!😡
Yeah that seems like a bit of a stretch. He's probably not even in the world top 50. There are certainly a lot of no names that are ranked higher than he is. His claim to fame is his cheating. He brought it on himself, nobody forced him to do it. And he should be thanking those who called him out on it. He would be just another nobody if they didnt.
Aug 30, 2023
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#43
Horrible optics from chesscom it is read as u guys can cheat in our platform GM Niemann did it and he’s allowed so why not
GBTGBA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
GBTGBA wrote:
Hans receives more hatred than any other player in the history of chess. Therefore, if he doesn't perform well, it's the fault of those who hate on him!😡
Yeah that seems like a bit of a stretch. He's probably not even in the world top 50. There are certainly a lot of no names that are ranked higher than he is. His claim to fame is his cheating. He brought it on himself, nobody forced him to do it. And he should be thanking those who called him out on it. He would be just another nobody if they didnt.
Don’t talk to me again. You are one of the mean haters and the most unqualified to give your opinions since you don’t play any games.
Nobody here hates Hans. That's just some people with a wild imagination. We just don't like cheaters, that's all.
Whether or not someone plays chess on chess.com obviously in no way prevents them from evaluating the evidence chess.com presented in this matter. Many people who don't even play chess evaluated the situation. I'll give you the classic example, you don't have to be an astronaut to evaluate whether or not we landed on the moon.
Vertwitch wrote:
Horrible optics from chesscom it is read as u guys can cheat in our platform GM Niemann did it and he’s allowed so why not
You might be right, but in the end it's their decision. Hans is probably ranked about 60th in the world, so he's a good player. So chess.com has an interest in him playing here. If they came to the agreement that he will not cheat again in exchange for chess.com allowing him to play it seems like a fair trade. I know there is skepticism because he promised before and broke his promise, but all eyes are on him now. I personally think he is less likely to cheat again.
I'm sure Hans won't cheat again. After all the worldwide coverage of this mess it's bound to have had an impact on him & I'm sure he knows it'd be impossible to get away with. He'll put it behind him & play nice with the other kids now because the next time out in the corner will be permanent.
Besides, chess.com is the biggest chess site & he doesn't want to be banned from this.
Besides they are probably monitoring his account closer than ever before, to see if cheating is detected.
Aug 30, 2023
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#49
lfPatriotGames wrote:
GBTGBA wrote:
Hans receives more hatred than any other player in the history of chess. Therefore, if he doesn't perform well, it's the fault of those who hate on him!😡
Yeah that seems like a bit of a stretch. He's probably not even in the world top 50.
Hans peaked at # 31 and is currently the #77th active player.
highest 2708- was above 2700 from Jan 23 to May 23 inclusive.
current 2660
Aug 30, 2023
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#50
Then I can only Imagine how strong the other guys were that could play without cheating🥲
Any GM on this site under 3000 is a noob.
BCchessnut wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
GBTGBA wrote:
Hans receives more hatred than any other player in the history of chess. Therefore, if he doesn't perform well, it's the fault of those who hate on him!😡
Yeah that seems like a bit of a stretch. He's probably not even in the world top 50.
Hans peaked at # 31 and is currently the #77th active player.
highest 2708- was above 2700 from Jan 23 to May 23 inclusive.
current 2660
I did not know that. That's interesting that he's gone from 31 to 77. I thought he was closer to 60th. But either way that's a substantial drop. Especially at the age where he should be improving.
It is a big drop. But recently he's been playing way too many games also, that could cause a 48 point drop. Either that or.... something else.... you know..... Hahahaha.
@nal beads have increased in sales since the Hans Niemann scandal.
Aug 30, 2023
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#55
We'll never know for sure but it appears that no evidence was ever presented of Hans cheating OTB.
And no, his prior cheating online does not constitute evidence because, if it did, why even let him play Magnus OTB in the first place? Were the only two possibilities lose, or be accused of cheating?
Obviously no-one comes out of this looking good: Hans cheated online, Magnus acted like a jerk, and chess.com sold out by appeasing Magnus.
But the most damaged is definitely Hans. For no reason whatsoever he'll be associated with rectal devices for the rest of his life.
Aug 30, 2023
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#56
Tribbled wrote:
*Snip* Hans. For no reason whatsoever he'll be associated with rectal devices for the rest of his life.
As per the old adage, better out than in
Tribbled wrote:
We'll never know for sure but it appears that no evidence was ever presented of Hans cheating OTB.
And no, his prior cheating online does not constitute evidence because, if it did, why even let him play Magnus OTB in the first place? Were the only two possibilities lose, or be accused of cheating?
Obviously no-one comes out of this looking good: Hans cheated online, Magnus acted like a jerk, and chess.com sold out by appeasing Magnus.
But the most damaged is definitely Hans. For no reason whatsoever he'll be associated with rectal devices for the rest of his life.
You are right on all counts. There is one, and only one way this all could have been avoided. Had Hans not cheated in the first place, none of this would have happened. Like all people, Magnus has made mistakes, sometimes big ones. He has lost to low rated players before and it will happen again.
But when a super GM loses to a much lower rated player known for cheating, obviously questions will be raised. Everyone has their 15 minutes of fame, Hans just chose poorly for his.
lfPatriotGames wrote:
premio53 wrote:
Vertwitch wrote:
We all assume he don’t do it again : wink wink :
We all assume Carlsen and Kasparov won't cheat again also: wink wink:
You should probably come up with better examples if you want to compare. Did Magnus cheat? Or did someone else suggest a move without his input or encouragement? Magnus did not ask anyone for help or assistance did he? And after someone made a suggestion, should Magnus unhink or unhear what was said? What were his options?
It's probably also important to note that even though Magnus did nothing to promote or encourage outside assistance he did not accept any money he would have won because of what someone ELSE did. If anything you are providing a good example of a stand up guy and doing the right thing. Quite the opposite of what Hans did.
Sorry that you are so uninformed. Carlsen did accept prize money after getting outside help, but donated it. In fact, there is more than one example of him accepting help during these tournaments. He should either resign those games or at least not play the moves. Are you saying that if someone gave you unsolicited help illegally and you accepted it (knowing it was illegal) there is nothing wrong with it?
Touching and quitting a piece completes the move. I suppose you think this is USCF rules where it is "clock move," but it isn't. The opponent can call it out, but this is the highest level, and such behavior is disallowed. It is against the rules whether or not an opponent sees it or calls it out. If an arbiter was standing there they would disallow Kasparov to move another piece. However, you are right that when Polgar made her move, she had forfeited the claim, but it is still against the rules.
