Hey kids! Learn how to resign!

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themaskedbishop wrote:

You've all been there.  You're at a tournament facing some little sandbagger, who has spent most of their chess life playing speed-skittles in the school cafeteria, while the math teacher who coaches the "chess club" hangs back and quietly vapes.  [blah, blah, blah]

 

I was checking to see whether I had tried to run you out of time while you struggled to checkmate me with three queens, but it seems that we haven't played. Nor will we unless I change my settings.

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tlay80 wrote:
"Protect the downside and the upside will take care of itself"

The Art of the Deal

I don't know about that.  I can't quite put my finger on it, but somehow it sounds like the sentiment of someone with a yuge sense of entitlement.

Exactly the opposite. People play on to protect the draw (or possibly win) when they have a bad position is WORKING for the outcome. Or at least have fun doing it.  Expecting people to resign when the opponent has no obligation to do so is the definition of entitlement.

If I can play so that the opponent has little to no chance of winning (draw) the rest will take care of itself. The win becomes much, much easier.

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lfPatriotGames wrote:

Expecting people to resign when the opponent has no obligation to do so is the definition of entitlement.

 

+1

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It's pretty simple: the higher-level the match, the earlier you should be resigning. Between absolute beginners, "never resign" is fair enough advice - the losing player might be the beneficiary of a huge blunder, and the winning player gets practice in closing out wins, basic checkmate patterns etc.

Eventually you get to a level where you learn from bitter experience that there's no point in playing on a rook down with no compensation against a half-decent player. But players naturally learn that anyway after wasting enough time defending lost causes, and they start resigning.

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randomuser101 wrote:

It's pretty simple: the higher-level the match, the earlier you should be resigning. Between absolute beginners, "never resign" is fair enough advice - the losing player might be the beneficiary of a huge blunder, and the winning player gets practice in closing out wins, basic checkmate patterns etc.

Eventually you get to a level where you learn from bitter experience that there's no point in playing on a rook down with no compensation against a half-decent player. But players naturally learn that anyway after wasting enough time defending lost causes, and they start resigning.

Ehh. I'm on the higher end of my chess club and the dude blundered a R+K ending and we drew by agreement. I was down on time by like 5 minutes to so it's 50/50 for me

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No one is forced to resign. If you are in a winning position - just win then, and if your opponent has 1 hour left on his clock and waits till it runs out - just wait then.

You can both learn from playing til the end, and maybe take a unexpected win or end up in stalemate or draw.

 

Today I (ranked 800) had a bishop and knight vs him having only his king. He resigned and I won. Happily for me beacuse I do not know how to mate with that material. I tried it afterwards against the computer and it was a draw beacuse of 50 move rule. If he had stayed it woud have been a draw.

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Well, 800s blunder sometimes like me lol. Computer looks for the best move, and blunders are rare.

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Well, sometimes GM's do not resign!

 

This is a cool video of a GM trying to checkmate with King, Bishop and Knight vs King

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY1jG04NOyc

 

 

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I think that resignation is sometimes a good idea. For instance, when you have lost most of your pieces or you only have a king and a couple of pawns while the other person has a whole army bearing down upon you, then it is a good idea to resign. you know who’s going to win anyways. Just make sure that you don’t resign too hastily, unless it becomes a habit. If it is going bad, and you are down a piece, tough it out. Put your back agains the wall until the end or Ragnarok. Or, if you’re like me, surrender is not an option. Fight to the last breath. But, like RedGirlz said, it is your choice. There is no real bad decision unless it is totally obvious.
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I refuse to resign when playing unless there is no possible way for me to win or draw. I have come back from some large deficits before.

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Never resign if you don't want to. Period.

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agreed

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Hah, none of this posturing changes the essential argument: good chess players know when to resign. Kids and patzers don't. 

The latter should know better, but as you've all you made clear - you don't. Ger yer patzer on!

TMB

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themaskedbishop wrote:

Hah, none of this posturing changes the essential argument: good chess players know when to resign. Kids and patzers don't. 

The latter should know better, but as you've all you made clear - you don't. Ger yer patzer on!

TMB

If I had resigned in all of the games I was losing in just because I was losing, I'd still be 1500.

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themaskedbishop wrote:

Hah, none of this posturing changes the essential argument: good chess players know when to resign. Kids and patzers don't. 

The latter should know better, but as you've all you made clear - you don't. Ger yer patzer on!

TMB

Nobody is arguing that they don't. What we are saying is that you shouldn't always be resigned and you shouldn't think that you're entitled for your opponent to resign. Probably a big misunderstanding ngl

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No, its not that good players know when to resign. Very high rated players know when the game is lost and they have nothing to learn from being rook rolled or something similar.

Lower rated players usually both have changes to turn the game into a win or draw if the opponent blunders, and can learn from trying to prolong the checkmate and observing the opponent. 

 

Like its kind of idiotic to resign if you had a change to draw the game or learn from it. 

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52yrral I was addressing the OP.
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themaskedbishop wrote:

Hah, none of this posturing changes the essential argument: good chess players know when to resign. Kids and patzers don't. 

The latter should know better, but as you've all you made clear - you don't. Ger yer patzer on!

TMB

Two days ago, Caruana was -3 vs Anand, a chess legend. According to you, Caruana should have resigned. But Caruana finally won. So in your logic Caruana is a patzer, isn't he?

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BlahBlahCafe wrote:

 

 I'm currently in a tournament (24-hours per move) and about 80% of the games finished in 2 - 3 weeks, but some are dragging well into the 3rd month - mostly people not resigning and making their moves a few mins before the 24 hours runs out. I think they hope their opponent will just forget about the game or something.

 

I’m always surprised when correspondence games take less than a year.

 

Of course, 24 hours per move is blazingly fast, too. Maybe that’s why I never play it.