Guys i dont really know but i think it doesnt matter just as a reference the BIg Nate Graphic novel seies Big Nate id reall good at chess ut is obviously reallly dumb and doesnt know much
Higher IQ, better chess?
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Sep 23, 2015
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I agree with what you just wrote.
Apart from Chess being "mostly a product of study and not so much figuring everything out at the board really".
That's totally incorrect. But that would start a whole different debate that I don't feel like going into now.
Becky_the_Stabber wrote:
Gotta agree here with Fiveofswords, every person is being born with different strengths and weaknesses, and people are irrationally sensitive about some of them, and barely care about others.
You can say how someone is physically weak or a slow runner and most people will think of this as stating a fact. So long as it is physical, it can be mentioned. Even if it is a potentially fatal flaw like a weak heart, this is still not seen as an insult, but as stating a fact.
But God forbid you mention someone having below average looks or intelligence, even if that is a fact. Everyone will insist it is insulting and must not be mentioned. Can't state the truth in that case, oh no.
We live in a very superficial world, where everything is based on what you look like, and how you look.
Sep 23, 2015
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Becky_the_Stabber wrote:
But on the other hand, do you know of even a single Grandmaster who is as dumb as a rock ?
Well, I have to admit I know of one (1) who actually was as dumb as a rock. He even made it to the top-20 in the world. Couldn't converse about anything but chess.
Of course he was the exception that proved the rule.
nobodyreally wrote:
Becky_the_Stabber wrote:
But on the other hand, do you know of even a single Grandmaster who is as dumb as a rock ?
Well, I have to admit I know of one (1) who actually was as dumb as a rock. He even made it to the top-20 in the world. Couldn't converse about anything but chess.
Of course he was the exception that proved the rule.
Vinay Bhat...Jesse Krai, are just 2 examples of GM's that are incredibly nice people. Then there ie a certain former Russian GM that shall remain nameless, that is one of the most unpleasant people you can be around.
All other factors being equal, it is reasonable to assume that a 140 IQ beginner will learn the game faster and eventually attain a higher maximum rating than a 90 IQ person. Given the cognitive demands of chess, it is reasonable to expect a correlation with a measure of cognitive ability like IQ.
But in the real world, all other factors aren't equal so I wouldn't expect this correlation to be perfectly linear. Makes me question the feasability of testing. I'm not aware of any study that might have been made... I'd like to know.
IQ is a measure of cognitive potential/ability, not true intelligence. It is assumed to be correlated, even though the very definition of intelligence is elusive.
In my opinion, intelligence is too encompassing of a concept to be reduced to a set of skills. It is deeply intertwined with personality, intuition and other factors that aren't measured in IQ tests. I see it as something that cannot be dissected away from the whole; a holistic dimension of a sentient person.
But this is all relatively speaking, of course. Intelligence is judged/interpreted subjectively. No reason to assume that it is a concrete aspect of reality; in this sense, we're all fundamentally unintelligent.
Fiveofswords wrote:
Diakonia wrote:
We live in a very superficial world, where everything is based on what you look like, and how you look.
well i also think its rather superficial to care so much about how clever people are.
kkl10 wrote:
All other factors being equal, it is reasonable to assume that a 140 IQ beginner will learn the game faster and eventually attain a higher maximum rating than a 90 IQ person. Given the cognitive demands of chess, it is reasonable to expect a correlation with a measure of cognitive ability like IQ.
But in the real world, all other factors aren't equal so I wouldn't expect this correlation to be perfectly linear. Makes me question the feasability of testing. I'm not aware of any study that might have been made... I'd like to know.
IQ is a measure of cognitive potential/ability, not true intelligence. It is assumed to be correlated, even though the very definition of intelligence is elusive.
In my opinion, intelligence is too encompassing of a concept to be reduced to a set of skills. It is deeply intertwined with personality, intuition and other factors that aren't measured in IQ tests. I see it as something that cannot be dissected away from the whole; a holistic dimension of a sentient person.
But this is all relatively speaking, of course. Intelligence is judged/interpreted subjectively. No reason to assume that it is a concrete aspect of reality; in this sense, we're all fundamentally unintelligent.
Well said!
Sep 23, 2015
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#31
Fiveofswords wrote:
but that being said, i would never expect a retard to ever become very good at chess, regardless of the effort. And a genius will probably become quite good with little effort. And then there may be rare exceptions, which would not alter my expectations.
Guess that knocks Fiveofswords out amongst those that could potentially be good. Only a person with a very low IQ (below 70) would use a politically incorrect 6-letter R-word on a public forum!
That's tautologically true, @FiveWords. Great thinking.
Did you recite it into the mirror, before typing it out ?
Yikes. You are one-scary-dude.
Seriously? Now we are going to get all butt-hurt because the word "retard" was used? Its a word...its only offensive if you allow it to be.
Here we go...
TheBlunderfulPlayer wrote:
Here we go...
Yep...here come the PC trains...
Diakonia wrote:
TheBlunderfulPlayer wrote:
Here we go...
Yep...here come the PC trains...
TheBlunderfulPlayer wrote:
Diakonia wrote:
TheBlunderfulPlayer wrote:
Here we go...
Yep...here come the PC trains...
<ding ding>
In this corner weighing in at 98lbs...the PC Crowd. Known to go out of there way to find any and all things offensive. The modern crusader...will instantaneously jump on the "cause of the month" bandwagon, and yell and shout down and and all opposition with cool hot button words like "insensitive"..."hate"..."phobia"..."phobic"..."seperation of church and state"...
In this corner weight unknown...The "Its just a word" crowd. Known for having the common sense to know that a word is...well just a word, and that there is no such thing as an offensive word, unless you decide to make it offensive.
Your have entirely too much free time on your self-righteous hands,@DiaK.
To wit -- "This scripture tells us that we must totally commit ourselves in the sense of both total trust and submission to the will of God. He will fulfill your righteous plans."
I have a friend that went to Berkely...graduated with a degree in physics...photoghraphic memory...high iq...very analytical, but cant play chess worth a lick.
Another guy i know has an iq around 130, and is a master.
I dont think iq plays that important of a role in chess ability. Rick Rossovich (creator of the TV show CHiPs) has an iq around 200, while Kaparovs is around 165.