Hikaru cheating allegations is the last thing his peers need

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SavageOppress

Additionally, Kramnik is deleting various comments that oppose his views on the blog in order to try and form an echochamber.

And btw, I wrote a blog about the situation for those who want to see why Kramnik's clearly wrong: https://www.chess.com/blog/SavageOppress/did-gm-hikaru-nakamura-cheat-uhhh-no

DelightfulLiberty

I'm not sure trials for defamation/libel etc are the way to go. I mean, how could anyone prove cheating (unless they were literally observed or confessed)? It would fuel paranoia even more, and would be some crazy psychological warfare to tie up opponents in expensive legal dealings before a tournament etc ....

I don't know what the answer to cheating is in the age of engines???

Six_Pack_Of_Flabs
najdorfcymraeg wrote:

When I suggested to Kramnik...

First of all, you claim it was 'clear' he was cheating. How so?

Second of all, those losses can be easily explained by the fact that Hikaru is human. People can be tired, burnt out, make a mouseslip, and so many other things.

The statistics of 1400 (last year) me beating a 2000 are staggeringly low, yet I still won a few.

Hikaru's W/L ratio is no proof of him cheating, and I for one, condemn Kramnik for the way he went about it.

bishoppairchess

Really doubtful Hikaru has ever cheated. He has been consistent and plays in his own style. He finds staggering tactics all the time and has demonstrated that is a powerful weapon for him for years. I've watched many of his speed runs. He explains every move he makes.

SoupSailor
putshort wrote:

Hikaru posted a video of his blitz session in question, Kramnik picked out games that Nakamura had streamed live!!
LMAO!

A lot of people are bringing up the fact that Hikaru livestreamed the games as some sort of evidence that he couldn't have cheated. I don't really think this counts for much. It's true that he does explain his moves while playing, but he rarely goes in-depth on calculation or positional nuances. He explains is it in a way that his viewers can kinda understand what's happening. Also, as Hikaru himself has said, it only takes a few hints a game to gain a disproportionate advantage.

I don't think it's likely that Hikaru cheated, but nevertheless I wanted to say this.

SoupSailor
H9TK wrote:
DanielGuel wrote:

If you really think about it... Hikaru gonna be so mad about the Kramnik insinuation... he's going to dominate the Candidates... and crush Ding in the world championship match... and the 18th world champion will inevitably be Hikaru Nakamura... possibly for years to come...

OK, OK, this is satire... but still...

This is what I'm talking about in case you don't know (no, Eric didn't accuse him, this is just his reaction vid)

Why does the vid say GM Hikky.

It's a classic chessbrah channel meme, that Hikaru hates wink.png

SoupSailor
llama_l wrote:
IronSteam1 wrote:
llama_l wrote:

By the way, if I were a 2900-3000 GM in Titled Tuesdays I might be a bit annoyed... because no name cheating trash are a lot more likely to cheat against me than a well known person like Naka... at least that would be my paranoia.

Yes, agreed.

Perhaps chess.com could implement a system where titled events require double-cameras (as they do in big events) for all participating players, which are streamed/uploaded to the site on the back end ... and if any player's games are deemed suspicious, the staff could pull up the video feeds to manually check.

Might be more reliable than just looking at the game moves alone ...

Though I'm not sure about the technical requirements for this. Perhaps it would be impractical.

And seriously... letting cheaters come back because it's good for business is really nasty.

I understand TT is not a lot of money, but there should at least be a 1-2 year ban on money events. I think they should also publish the names (if they have as much faith in the math as they claim i.e. that they'd win a court case).

This is not to shame people, obviously. It's to deter cheating, and make the tournament(s) more respectable.

Having cameras in TT would also be good.

I believe they are trying to implement this over time. They already have some cameras, and they aim to have cameras on all players sometime in 2024.

SoupSailor
llama_l wrote:

A lot of people saying a lot of silly things.

  • Kramnik doesn't know anything about cheat detection and it's a bit embarrassing.
  • Chess.com can hardly run their site (there were issues in that tournament with pairings)
  • I couldn't sit though Hikaru's video after he started trash talking Kramnik in a childish way, but I'm sure if he managed to move beyond name calling he ended up saying incorrect things as well.
  • Hikaru fans who are both 8 years old and 800 rated say a lot of silly things to defend him.

Very few things worth reading are being written at the moment.

I don't think any of the games were part of a tournament. Chess.com had a sitewide issue with Arenas earlier which affected that week's Bullet Brawl, but these games were direct challenges.

satan_llama

Hikaru is seeing this as an opportunity while y'all are discussing about it. Truly a streamer moment XD

SoupSailor

A true juggernaut, he is reasonable, he is juvenile, he is Satan. What else?

bobthebuilder178
llama_l wrote:

Sure, it's not impossible that Hikaru cheats, but because he has everything to lose and nothing to gain, a person would have to show me really good evidence before I take them seriously.

I completely agree with this. Daniil Dubov recently had an interview where he said that it only made sense for people outside the absolute highest level to cheat because it's not worth it. Eventually they will get exposed, and if they are cheating OTB they will most likely get perma-banned from tournaments, and this is worth it only if don't normally win big opens but can cheat to win a few before getting banned. This doesn't really fit with Hikaru.

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TheChessGuitarist09811
SoupSailor72 wrote:
H9TK wrote:
DanielGuel wrote:

If you really think about it... Hikaru gonna be so mad about the Kramnik insinuation... he's going to dominate the Candidates... and crush Ding in the world championship match... and the 18th world champion will inevitably be Hikaru Nakamura... possibly for years to come...

OK, OK, this is satire... but still...

This is what I'm talking about in case you don't know (no, Eric didn't accuse him, this is just his reaction vid)

Why does the vid say GM Hikky.

It's a classic chessbrah channel meme, that Hikaru hates

Lol

ekcool20
Can someone explain what’s happening with Hikaru?
SavageOppress
ekcool20 wrote:
Can someone explain what’s happening with Hikaru?

My blog explains what happened pretty well, though it's partially an opinion piece arguing in favor of Hikaru Nakamura.

https://www.chess.com/blog/SavageOppress/did-gm-hikaru-nakamura-cheat-uhhh-no

SavageOppress
DesperateKingWalk wrote:
SavageOppress wrote:
ekcool20 wrote:
Can someone explain what’s happening with Hikaru?

My blog explains what happened pretty well, though it's partially an opinion piece arguing in favor of Hikaru Nakamura.

https://www.chess.com/blog/SavageOppress/did-gm-hikaru-nakamura-cheat-uhhh-no

But you like exactly like Kramnik!

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albusbluderdore
I mean, you could say he’s: “cheating”, but isn’t it normal for one of the top players in the whole gosh darn WORLD to make the best move more than anything else?
RopemakerStreet

Llama, I read you said you've been playing chess for 20 years, you joined in August, 2300 blitz, not that many games, what gives? never played on chess.com before this ? gun shy?

SoupSailor

Somebody has to tell him that grin

MaetsNori

These charts are fascinating. I'm enjoying the comparisons.

Though I'm surprised that Danya has clocked in nearly double the amount of blitz games as Hikaru. Possible explanations?

Is it that Hikaru's speedrun accounts are accounting for the gap? Because it seems (to me) as if he's constantly playing chess ...