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HOU YIFAN WASNT RIGHT, She should apologize.
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I DO know why that happened.
your logic is inconsistent teletubby thing.
on one hand you say someone should never throw away a game.
now you imply that because the situation is not EXACTLY the same; your new "rule" does not apply.
Feb 7, 2017
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#44
thegreat_patzer escribió:
I DO know why that happened.
your logic is inconsistent teletubby thing.
on one hand you say someone should never throw away a game.
now you imply that because the situation is not EXACTLY the same; your new "rule" does not apply.
What are you even talking about?
Nakamura did not throw the game away, he just played the English Attack and his opponent played the Ng4 lines, Nakamura chose to repeat the moves, you cant force him to play a position he considers inferior.
themaskedbishop wrote:
>Throwing a game is never right, but it is the only way to get some attention.<
No one had a problem when Nakamura lodged a 9-move draw at Millionaire Chess. Talk about tossing a game...he went home with $100,000.
I dont know the specifics of Nakamuras draw, but I dont think I would have a problem at all with it because it's probably something he chose to get the outcome he wanted. I'll bet most chess players have played for a draw when playing for a win was too risky. Sounds like forcing a draw and taking home a hundred grand is pretty much the opposite of a problem.
BronsteinPawn, I personally know a tournament director. He sometimes changes the pairings in a tournament on a person's request.
dude it wasn't a fair fight,
truth is NO chess player vows to play each game of chess with perfect dedication and commitment. instead, they do whats best for their wallet and rating.
from that POV. I think you could say that she did what almost all chess players occasionally do, not just for selfish greed; but to highlight a flaw in the swiss pairing system in their interest of making chess better and fairer for future women chess players.
now, there can be no doubt, that many consider her actions upsetting and insulting. but protest is like that.
Feb 7, 2017
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#48
How does that prove the pairings from Gibraltar were changed?
Report the TD.
Feb 7, 2017
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#49
zac_howland wrote:
For starters, Hou did apologize (on video) for disappointing chess fans immediately after the game when she was interviewed.
Whether or not she was wrong about the pairings, she was correct that the tournament director should have stepped in and adjusted the pairings (as they have the authority and responsibility to do when the pairings come out strange).
The frustration for her comes from the fact that being paired with only women for 7 consecutive rounds means she is playing all lower rated opponents (since she is still the top female player) making it difficult for her to improve her rating (thus opening doors to things like the World Chess Tour). If she had been paired with players like Hikaru, Caruana, Short, etc., she would have had an opportunity to make the case she should be included in the Tour (and other similar events).
I can understand her frustration, but I do feel that her manner of protest was ironic (throwing a game against a male opponent, albeit one with a lower rating) and showed a lack of maturity. Ju Wenjun, conversely, was graceful throughout the tournament.
1. "tournament director should step in"....no not if they just used the pairings the computer gave them. This whole argument is about the organizers "manipulating" the pairings. You are suggesting that because the pairings came out "strange", they should manipulate the pairings so that people dont suspect they are manipulating the pairings? No, thats not how this works.....
2. "The frustration for her comes from the fact that being paired with only women for 7 consecutive rounds means she is playing all lower rated opponents"......this is how pairings work, the top half plays the bottom half until the cream rises to the top. so if anything, this is more evidence that she is more likely to play women. After each round, rating plays little and little with the pairings, as the stacking of tournament points speaks more.
3. "(thus opening doors to things like the World Chess Tour)".....shes was invited to Tata in 2015 and 2016 and under preformed...coming in tied for last last year. BTW, not sure what you mean by World Chess tour...do you mean the Grand Chess Tour? Also, if anything, accusing your organizers of manipulating pairings without proof is not a good start in opening the doors to anything
Feb 7, 2017
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#50
thegreat_patzer escribió:
dude it wasn't a fair fight,
truth is NO chess player vows to play each game of chess with perfect dedication and commitment. instead, they do whats best for their wallet and rating.
from that POV. I think you could say that she did what almost all chess players occasionally do, not just for selfish greed; but to highlight a flaw in the swiss pairing system in their interest of making chess better and fairer for future women chess players.
now, there can be no doubt, that many consider her actions upsetting and insulting. but protest is like that.
Nakamura considered his position was worse if he didnt repeat moves. Hou Yifan just acted like a kid and dropped a game.
Stop comparing that. For god's sake.
Nothing wrong with forcing a draw. I mean, it has happened many times.
Feb 7, 2017
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#52
I think you dont even understand the situation. Nakamura wasnt prepared for that line so why the hell would he go out of prep just not to draw?
A little theory may not hurt your brains before giving your opinions on Naka's game.
dude this isn't about my grasp of theory.
this is about your silly "never throw a game" rant.
and insulting me really doesn't make your case more persuasive.
I am uninterested in the reasons behind naka's draw. it is irrelevant. it is only a good example of how chessplayers don't always try to win.
Feb 7, 2017
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#54
thegreat_patzer escribió:
dude this isn't about my grasp of theory.
this is about your silly "never throw a game" rant.
and insulting me really doesn't make your case more persuasive.
I am uninterested in the reasons behind naka's draw. it is irrelevant. it is only a good example of how chessplayers don't always try to win.
If you dont know about the game why are you talking about it and saying what is wrong and what is right?
Naka wanted to win, but it was just stupid to run out of your prep into someone's else prep.
Yifan on the other hand, she should grow a pair and recognize she just talked crap without thinking, accusing TDs of manipulating pairings is a serious accusationn.
Feb 7, 2017
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#55
Anyways, what does your argument has to do with the thread @thegreat_patzer?
Hou Yifan should apologize and retract what she said becuase the TDs did not manipulate the pairings.
boy red teletubby we go around this dead horse over and over....
the naka draw was only brought into the thread as an ANOLOGY. one of many possible one's that chess players don't always fight each game to a clear and well fought conclusion.
thats as Deep as it goes! there's no other similarity (and if there is perhaps its not a good analogy). NONE!
so why do I have to have a impressive grasp of the game; to state my opinion about hard fought games? she protested! at least the gibralter people had the grace to be pleasant about it; recognizing her brilliancy & make it perfectly clear she's welcome to return in other years.
you trolls have vengeful, over-reactions going on right now and have littered the forums with this bunk.
fyi. I don't see the point of further posts from me about this. you can't "win" against trolls- instead disagreement just feeds the beast(s).
Feb 7, 2017
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#57
thegreat_patzer wrote:
dude it wasn't a fair fight,
truth is NO chess player vows to play each game of chess with perfect dedication and commitment. instead, they do whats best for their wallet and rating.
from that POV. I think you could say that she did what almost all chess players occasionally do, not just for selfish greed; but to highlight a flaw in the swiss pairing system in their interest of making chess better and fairer for future women chess players.
now, there can be no doubt, that many consider her actions upsetting and insulting. but protest is like that.
No thats the whole point! The organizers at the Gibraltar Open have already been making chess greater for women....why else do you think they have the largest female prize....and why else do so many females play in it....
You say she did this to "highlight a flaw in the pairing system", but the results have been replicated. You say that she is protesting "in their interest of making chess better and fairer for future women chess players." what does this mean exactly? what does she want, to be paired against men? does she want to compete "with the big boys". Does she think that she deserves better than to play against these "little girls".......fact is, in each round, each of these women were having just as good a tournament as her. Shes just being a whiner
Feb 7, 2017
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#58
thegreat_patzer escribió:
boy red teletubby we go around this dead horse over and over....
the naka draw was only brought into the thread as an ANOLOGY. one of many possible one's that chess players don't always fight each game to a clear and well fought conclusion.
thats as Deep as it goes! there's no other similarity (and if there is perhaps its not a good analogy). NONE!
so why do I have to have a impressive grasp of the game; to state my opinion about hard fought games? she protested! at least the gibralter people had the grace to be pleasant about it; recognizing her brilliancy & make it perfectly clear she's welcome to return in other years.
you trolls have vengeful, over-reactions going on right now and have littered the forums with this bunk.
fyi. I don't see the point of further posts from me about this. you can't "win" against trolls- instead disagreement just feeds the beast(s).
What a crappy analogy, but OK, lets say you are right.
As I already said, what does this have to do with the fact that she should apologize for accusing TDs without arguments to support it.
Feb 7, 2017
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#59
Why stop there? Perhaps there should be a new rule introduced that it Hou Yifan is playing in a tournament then she should be allowed to choose her next opponent.
Then there can be no suspicion that Hou Yifan is being victimised.
And that, above all, is the most important thing.
Feb 7, 2017
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#60
zac_howland wrote:
SilentKnighte5 wrote:
zac_howland wrote:
Whether or not she was wrong about the pairings, she was correct that the tournament director should have stepped in and adjusted the pairings (as they have the authority and responsibility to do when the pairings come out strange).
So in order to avoid accusations that the TDs manipulated the pairings, they should've actually manipulated the pairings.
One of the responsibilities of a TD is to interject and make adjustments to pairings when the software produces odd pairings. After 3-4 consecutive female opponents, they should have swapped her with someone else in her same tier.
If you flip a coin 10 times and get heads everytime, would you assume its not infact a fair coin?
Even if the TD noticed that Hou Yifan had those pairings, the first thought would be...."wow, that seems unlikely...oh well"
They are not going to think "gee im willing to bet this is going to upset Hou Yifan...i should make sure i accomodate her by manipulating the pairings"
Haha my thread is better that cnj's AKA the sissy thread.