House rules

My nextdoor neighbor is one of those guys when he makes a blunder & you give him a takeback, he then crows about winning the game. Neither one of us are any good (maybe a 1000 on a good day), so there should be no bragging. Therefore, we're keeping a tally sheet from now on. But I am insisting on certain house rules: #1 being No Takebacks; #2 If your opponent moves into check (or doesn't move out of check), you get to take the king.

My theory is if you are that stupid to move into check, you deserve to lose the game. His theory is "standard rules" worship. My counter is as long as we agree on the house rules, they *are* the standard rules. 

However, we have both agreed to abide by the chess.com forum consensus. So any feedback is very welcome.

Takeback is a house rule as it's not normally allowed.

Agree takebacks are not allowed under the "standard" rules -- EXCEPT as my nextdoor neighbor argues, if you move into check, you get a takeback. I'm like nope.. It's just like any other dumb move and you have to pay the price...

In official rated play, illegal moves are required to be taken back, if claimed or seen by an arbiter. In that case the touched piece still has to be moved if there's a legal move to be made, otherwise any other move can be made. There can be a time related penalty as well.

Rules can be different in n Blitz, depending on the regulations being played under.

When I play friends OTB I always say "no takebacks" before accepting a game. It seems that I win much more games in real life than online. Can be psychology involved, I look crazy when an opponent is trying to trap me.

Why can't a King "suicide" himself? The King might as well go down fighting! That's what I say!

According to House Rule #4 "IF CAUGHT CHEATING THEN YOU FORFEIT GAME."

And according to House Rule #7 "INTENT DOES NOT MATTER WITH REGARD TO ILLEGAL MOVES."

There is only one answer to all these disputes:
Laws of Chess

Now he's mad at me because he set up the King & Queen in the wrong spots. So after the first move I claimed illegal move and added another notch to the tally sheet. That is probably a bit "over the top." I'm thinking I should give that one back, perhaps.....

@15

'7.2.1 If during a game it is found that the initial position of the pieces was incorrect,
the game shall be cancelled and a new game shall be played.'

Good to know.

Wait, the guy worships the rules but also he demands takebacks? Wait, what?

That guy is a liar and a cheater. I wouldn't play him. Find another chess partner.

Best to just move and hope he can't figure where you went.

If the takebacks he is demanding is the correction of illegal moves then he IS using the standard rules. The type of blunder was not described in the original post and later posts concern illegal moves leaving a king in check. In the US chess rules there are a LOT of scholastic players and there is no official limit to the number of illegal moves a player can make. In FIDE (7.4) three illegal moves lose the game.

There are some US organizers who split the difference and reserve the option to declare the game lost after three illegal moves, primarily for those new players that do things like make illegal moves on moves 2, 5 and 7 (they don't really know how to play and having to dedicate a TD/arbiter to one game would leave the rest of the playing area with too little coverage) while a player who makes an illegal move on moves 20, 38 and 62 does not need constant monitoring and can continue.

@20

"In FIDE (7.4) three illegal moves lose the game."
++ No. Two illegal moves lose the game.
'7.5.5 After the action taken under Article 7.5.1, 7.5.2, 7.5.3 or 7.5.4 for the first completed illegal move by a player, the arbiter shall give two minutes extra time to his/her opponent;
for the second completed illegal move by the same player the arbiter shall declare the game lost by this player. However, the game is drawn if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves.'

@tygxc as mentioned before, all FIDE rules do not apply io all games in all situations.

@22

Yes, some people use house rules: stalemate = win, 2 pawns 1 square instead of 1 pawn 2 squares, takebacks, a win if a king reaches the 8th rank etc. It leads to endless and useless disputes.

Chess.com also does not correctly implement the Laws of Chess, and that is unfortunate.
'0.2 It is recommended that competitive games not rated by FIDE be played according to the FIDE Laws of Chess.'
Chess.com pretends to offer competitive games, but does not completely follow the recommendation.
Chess.com breaks the following Laws of Chess:

• 0.2
• 1.5
• 5.1.2
• 5.2.2
• 6.3.2
• 6.7.1
• 6.9
• A.1
• B.1

tygxc: Thanks for the link to the Laws of Chess:

3.9.2 No piece can be moved that will either expose the king of the same colour to check or leave that king in check.

There it is..

As for chess.com the computer won't let you make an illegal move. But for OTB w/ the nextdoor neighbor, making an illegal move basically is a get-out-of-jail-free card. Plus there are two kinds of illegal moves: (1) a stupid blunder [and leaving your King in check is worse than leaving your Queen hanging], in which case you deserve to lose; or (2) outright cheating, like moving your Knight 3 diagonal squares, in which case you get a take-back for CHEATING?

tbqh, I did pull that move on the neighbor guy last month: Knight 3 diagonal squares & forked his Rook & King. He immediately resigned. But I figure that's a case where if he's too stupid to catch the cheating, then he deserves to lose....