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Hey y'all I have been doing the following to try and analyze my own games I got a notebook and went in and go first to the analysis page I then write down moves all the way up to the first inaccuracy or good move or excellent move to look for the best move I would then write down multiple moves before hand that I think would qualify or guess they are good moves or otherwise then I would continue until its done is this an actual good way to improve my games. (I am analyzing my own games so is this a good method here a photo of how its done)

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Use a computer software.

I still have a Win 98 laptop. I use Chessmaster 6000 and Extreme Chess to analyze my games.

People say Stockfish is the latest and free, but I didn't try.

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i do

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but theres no point just knowing what the right move is by looking at the computer first

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Malik243 wrote:

but theres no point just knowing what the right move is by looking at the computer first

Story time.

Our greatest invention (and discovery) was probably fire. It gave us the ability to cook food, eat meat. We're not meat eaters. You can't eat a chicken raw.

Then agriculture.

Then writing (paper. We can transmit more (maybe not better) than oral history.

Then cars. (We don't have to walk anymore).

Then film.

Then computers.

Every time we invent something, we are augmented by our invention. Artificial intelligence is augmenting our intelligence. Use it.

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Malik243 wrote:

but theres no point just knowing what the right move is by looking at the computer first

The word "computer" used to mean a person who computes, like writer, waiter, driver. Now it means a machine that computes.

The future is machines, ever since the Industrial Revolution.

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In my life time, I've seen the word "printer" meaning a person who prints to a machine that prints.

And a taxi telephone operator being a person to an artificial intelligence (which does it better than a person).

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long_quach wrote:
Malik243 wrote:

but theres no point just knowing what the right move is by looking at the computer first

Story time.

Our greatest invention (and discovery) was probably fire. It gave us the ability to cook food, eat meat. We're not meat eaters. You can't eat a chicken raw.

Then agriculture.

Then writing (paper. We can transmit more (maybe not better) than oral history.

Then cars. (We don't have to walk anymore).

Then film.

Then computers.

Every time we invent something, we are augmented by our invention. Artificial intelligence is augmenting our intelligence. Use it.

Yeah, ok, but he's right. You should try to analyse yourself first, and check with the engine afterwards.

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with software you can “write” within the game itself/make annotations without doing any kind of engine stuff

it is more efficient and will help a lot

dont even run the “game report yet”

first get down your own opinions and ideas

then you can turn on engine and start again at move 1 and check everything out- do blunder checks and check comp variations when it goes in a diff direction than your own

i labored about with pad and pencil as well but when i got some ios software (chess studio) my annotations and organization skyrocketed

you seem to have a good knack for doing it so best of luck
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all the above sounds too much like hard work for what is basically just a game to while-away an hour or two. just play the game for the sake of simple enjoyment and fun and not writing a thesis for every single move. ...

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Improvement itself is a source of joy. Learning is a joy. It's nothing to do with writing a thesis.

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Malik243 wrote:

Hey y'all I have been doing the following to try and analyze my own games I got a notebook and went in and go first to the analysis page I then write down moves all the way up to the first inaccuracy or good move or excellent move to look for the best move I would then write down multiple moves before hand that I think would qualify or guess they are good moves or otherwise then I would continue until its done is this an actual good way to improve my games. (I am analyzing my own games so is this a good method here a photo of how its done)

I just watched a video where a guy explained that he spends 4 hours or longer analysing his tournament games and only after this he use an engine. This is how players get strong.

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brasileirosim wrote:

I just watched a video where a guy explained that he spends 4 hours or longer analysing his tournament games and only after this he use an engine. This is how players get strong.

Exactly. If all you do is plug the moves into an engine and read off the result, then all you LEARN is how to plug the moves into an engine and read off the result. You have learned NOTHING about playing chess.

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Yeah, for a new player especially this process would probably be a lot better with a book like Chernev's book "Logical Chess" or Reti's "Masters of the Chessboard"

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Because the engine doesn't tell you why moves are good or bad.

...

But kudos to the OP who seems to have a much higher than average work ethic for this sort of thing

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Malik243 wrote:

Hey y'all I have been doing the following to try and analyze my own games I got a notebook and went in and go first to the analysis page I then write down moves all the way up to the first inaccuracy or good move or excellent move to look for the best move I would then write down multiple moves before hand that I think would qualify or guess they are good moves or otherwise then I would continue until its done is this an actual good way to improve my games. (I am analyzing my own games so is this a good method here a photo of how its done)

First step

1. Check for dropping pieces, 1 move blunder.

Second step

2. Play the pieces together.

 

In your game, I start to see weak moves as early as move 3.    2. Nc3 and 3. g3 doesnt work together.

 

The reason to play Nc3 is to rush the centre to play e4. So the continuation of Nc3 should be followed by 

3.Bg5 e6

4. e4

 

 

 

If you want to play 

g3

Bg2

You should not play Nc3, cos you need to play c4, to augment the power of Bg2 by attacking on d5.

 

 

In one day, if you can see further, play with idea of 5 moves deep plan etc. 

 

Analyse by your own is active learning, analyse by engine( someone else) is passive learning. Both methods are necessary for improvement.

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llama44 wrote:

Because the engine doesn't tell you why moves are good or bad.

...

But kudos to the OP who seems to have a much higher than average work ethic for this sort of thing

Not true. Chessmaster 6000 literally tells you why.

Extreme Chess tells you "why" in a mathematical language.

I wonder if someday computers can analyze MMA. That would be something.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/a-sport-must-be-a-sport?page=70#comment-48232692

 

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I bet that was pretty cool in the 80's, to have it spit out some cookie cutter phrases like "knights are good on outposts" or "you weakened your king" but since no one ever mentions chessmaster6000 as a good source of explaining moves I doubt it's very effective.

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llama44 wrote:

I bet that was pretty cool in the 80's, to have it spit out some cookie cutter phrases like "knights are good on outposts" or "you weakened your king" but since no one ever mentions chessmaster6000 as a good source of explaining moves I doubt it's very effective.

A 2300-rated IM played ten current engines in 1998 (?) and scored 70% against them... beating, among others, Chessmaster 6000.

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Ok, google says it was released in 1998, my bad.

Still...

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