How do I become a national master?

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shuttlechess92

Wow thanks you very much, I will be sure to get one of those books the next opportunity I get

normajeanyates
likesforests wrote:

shuttlechess92> Or do I just need to get a 2000 uscf rating?

Every country has their own requirements. In the US of A, you become a National Master if you achieve a 2200 rating, a Life Master if you hold that rating for 300 games, and a Senior Master if you achieve a 2400 rating. Some countries have NMs rated only 1900s. ;)

Addendum: I rarely see players refer to themselves as senior masters. My guess is in most cases they would also be an IM and prefer that title.


I did not expect this post from someone whose posts are *usually* not entirely devoid of intelligence. Comparing apples and oranges, are we?

For the record in the US of A you may become a national master by reaching a 2200 rating, but that is a 2200 uscf rating.

In the average country say A which awards chess NM titles; to get a 1900 xcf rating you have to be *better* at chess than you have to be to get a 2200 xcf rating.

In other words, uscf ratings - in that range of skill - are *inflated* by 300 points compared the avarage rating in the rest of the world. One of the more benign examples of USA exceptionalism and jingoism.

Thank you.

shuttlechess92

=) who are you referring to? yes, i agree though, U.S. is very built on the self-ego concept

normajeanyates
shuttlechess92 wrote:

=) who are you referring to? yes, i agree though, U.S. is very built on the self-ego concept


Not you, shuttlechess92, of course! :)

Of course I was referring to the poster (likesforests) I quoted in my prev post.

likesforests

> In other words, uscf ratings - in that range of skill - are *inflated* by 300 points

I am surprised to see this myth perpetuated by someone whose posts are usually not devoid of intelligence. Citing the first three NMs to come to mind:

  •   Dan Heisman - FIDE 2285, USCF 2224
  •   Rex Blalock - FIDE 2225, USCF 2226
  •   Micheal Splane - FIDE 2120, USCF 2199

No 300 point inflations there!

In fact, a 2006 survey that compared USCF and FIDE ratings (which I've cited before) states that in the 1800-2200 range the ratings are comparable. In other rating ranges that is not the case--see the citation for details. The sanity check is above.

I also know of a US class A (1900-2000 USCF) player who flew to a foreign country, quickly got his NM title there, and then returned. Q.E.D. I would cite the example but that country's chess website is temporarily down.

> One of the more benign examples of USA exceptionalism and jingoism.

One of the more benign examples of anti-US sentiment. I thought that was supposed to change when we elected a new president.  ;)

BaronDerKilt

It is highy amusing to see someone in London comment on other countries being out of line with FIDE Elo~! Since the system BCA uses bears less relation to FIDE Elo than any I've ever played under. What is that again, multiply by 6 and add 800 or multiply by 8 and add 600 (?!), to translate a BCA into something approaching a FIDE rating, or USCF for that matter. And the matter that the rating is not continuous, but calculates only recent games. Personally I am fine with countries selecting their own rating and qualification systems for their home use. But people in "glass-countries" shouldn't perhaps throw stones?!

Also MarilynMonroe, you miss interpret the remarks of LIKESFORESTS. Clearly read it is obvious he is not saying USCF rating would translate into an IM title, but suggesting that someone good enough to be over 2400 here might well have an IM title earned under FIDE. It was also implicit when he spoke of USCF ratings that he was doing so. Whatever USA bashing you wish to do, well we does reads good here. So should People who seek to elevate themselves by downing others.... whoever Those persons might be. IMO Innocent Thank You

EnGliSHCheSsPlAy

I wish you to become national master...

TheOldReb
normajeanyates wrote:
likesforests wrote:

shuttlechess92> Or do I just need to get a 2000 uscf rating?

Every country has their own requirements. In the US of A, you become a National Master if you achieve a 2200 rating, a Life Master if you hold that rating for 300 games, and a Senior Master if you achieve a 2400 rating. Some countries have NMs rated only 1900s. ;)

Addendum: I rarely see players refer to themselves as senior masters. My guess is in most cases they would also be an IM and prefer that title.


I did not expect this post from someone whose posts are *usually* not entirely devoid of intelligence. Comparing apples and oranges, are we?

For the record in the US of A you may become a national master by reaching a 2200 rating, but that is a 2200 uscf rating.

In the average country say A which awards chess NM titles; to get a 1900 xcf rating you have to be *better* at chess than you have to be to get a 2200 xcf rating.

In other words, uscf ratings - in that range of skill - are *inflated* by 300 points compared the avarage rating in the rest of the world. One of the more benign examples of USA exceptionalism and jingoism.

Thank you.


 Perhaps there are countries in which the national rating of 1900 is equal to 2200 uscf ?  I do not know, can you name such a country? I do know that USCF ratings tend to be roughly equivalent to fide ratings minus 70 to 100 points. My own fide and uscf ratings are less than 30 points different with the USCF rating slightly higher. Therefore, I believe a uscf rating of 2200 is roughly equivalent to a fide rating of 2100-2150. Portugal has also awarded me an NM title because my fide rating is over 2200. I once played a fide master with a fide rating over 2500 but he hadnt made the necessary norm requirements for the IM nor the GM titles....he was only 15 years old and tied for first with GM Spragett in the event and drew GM Spraggett with the black pieces ! 

HAMIDUDDIN

HOW TO MAKE RATING IT SELF I DON'T KNOW? I AM ALSO TO KNOW THE SAME ANSWER FOR YOUR QUESTION?

BaronDerKilt

HAMIDUDDIN  One aspect is to brutalize Class players. A strong Master will often have a record vs those under 2000, or even 2100 for some, looking something like:

75W 2L 5D

Then you 'Only' need to score a strong plus vs 2100 players and break even or slight plus vs Masters. And Whallah, you are there! Laughing

OH, and never lose or draw to anyone under 1750 or so. Wink

Hugh_T_Patterson

And here I was going to answer you; practice, practice, practice. Seriously, it would be great if you kept us posted on your quest to become an NM.

goldendog
likesforests wrote:

> In other words, uscf ratings - in that range of skill - are *inflated* by 300 points

I am surprised to see this myth perpetuated by someone whose posts are usually not devoid of intelligence. Citing the first three NMs to come to mind:

  Dan Heisman - FIDE 2285, USCF 2224   Rex Blalock - FIDE 2225, USCF 2226   Micheal Splane - FIDE 2120, USCF 2199

No 300 point inflations there!

In fact, a 2006 survey that compared USCF and FIDE ratings (which I've cited before) states that in the 1800-2200 range the ratings are comparable. In other rating ranges that is not the case--see the citation for details. The sanity check is above.

I also know of a US class A (1900-2000 USCF) player who flew to a foreign country, quickly got his NM title there, and then returned. Q.E.D. I would cite the example but that country's chess website is temporarily down.

> One of the more benign examples of USA exceptionalism and jingoism.

One of the more benign examples of anti-US sentiment. I thought that was supposed to change when we elected a new president.  ;)


 Thanks for the facts. You deliver a fair rebuke! Smile

shuttlechess92

rich - 2600! =) lol.

normajeanyates

All English Masters, actually all  English experts, are 2600+ fide *actually*. Only we don't flaunt it, we prefer to be low-key so when our *official* rating crosses 200 we play laidback chess. We are so used to winning for 400 years that we have see the futility of being obsessed with winning. We are artists, not businesspersons.

MM78
normajeanyates wrote:

All English Masters, actually all  English experts, are 2600+ fide *actually*. Only we don't flaunt it, we prefer to be low-key so when our *official* rating crosses 200 we play laidback chess. We are so used to winning for 400 years that we have see the futility of being obsessed with winning. We are artists, not businesspersons.


 I've just spent 3-4 mins trying to think of a worthy response...I can't, I resign. Just send me some of whatever you're on please. 

normajeanyates

Nah, I shelled out £ 2000 for an ounce of the stuff.

normajeanyates
normajeanyates wrote:

All English Masters, actually all  English experts, are 2600+ fide *actually*. Only we don't flaunt it, we prefer to be low-key so when our *official* rating crosses 200 we play laidback chess. We are so used to winning for 400 years that we have see the futility of being obsessed with winning. We are artists, not businesspersons.


PS: The above is also true if you replace 'English' by 'Irish'. Or not.

MM78
normajeanyates wrote:

Nah, I shelled out £ 2000 for an ounce of the stuff.


 minor problem with the supply chain this week

 

http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=76818-qqqx=1.asp

shuttlechess92

why did we start talking about cocaine?

snits

There is still a k factor reduction at some point, but I can't recall off the top of my head if it is 2100 or even lower. I don't know if bonus points are possible at that level, but they are down here at class c.

 

One thing they are currently working on is a norm based title system that will give players at some lower levels a title.