How do I defend the arguement that chess is a sport?

Sort:
lfPatriotGames
HeckinSprout wrote:

The "a sport is only a sport if people watch it" argument sounds sketchy. Not many in the USA watch Rugby or Cricket, but they are still sports. What's the critical amount of fans required to get the title?

Basing what is considered a sport on needing a majority share of the population approving of it seems like a slippery slope.

I see you are using quotation marks. Which means you are quoting someone. Who said those exact words? Who are you quoting?

As I recall nobody said that, but now you are saying someone said it. I believe what was said is that viewership by people who have NEVER participated in that activity is one of the many things that separate chess from sports.

You listed two great examples. Rugby and cricket. There is probably a HUGE percentage of viewers who watch those sports that have never played it. Even once. What percentage of chess event viewers do you believe have NEVER played chess?

In my limited experience with both live and televised chess tournaments I have never seen even one single person watch who has not played the game. Not a single one. Have you?

In contrast, I have witnessed MANY sports viewers who have never played the sport. I'm just one example. I watch the Superbowl almost every year because we usually throw a big party. But never in my life have I ever played football.

lfPatriotGames
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

I know it's easy to get sidetracked in these discussions. Someone may make a point then someone else says "but what about this other thing that's completely unrelated?"

Chess, and most other board games simply do not have the appeal, the viewership, the ratings, the money, the sponsors, the popularity, or the interest that sports do. The "chess is a sport" folks have become very silent when pressed on the issue about whether or not people who do NOT play will sit and watch an entire chess event. Because they know that just doesn't happen. It probably wouldn't happen with any other board game either.

But it happens very often with sports because, well, because they are sports. No doubt there have been big money chess events and a handful of spectators watching. But even the most enthusiastic chess fan will admit chess simply does not have the magnetism that sports do.

Curling

Another good example. I have watched curling. Chances are you have too. But I have never participated in curling even once in my life. Who knows curling might be one of those sports that has more watchers who dont play than watchers who do play.

By the way, a friend of mine said a new world record was set a few days ago. A man from WA set it at, and I might have this part wrong, 600 yards. 35 consecutive bullseyes. And the 36th was really close. But apparently it doesn't count because it was not a tournament. But there were a lot of witnesses that all now say he's the best in the world.

StandStarter

test

Bobby101132
lfPatriotGames wrote:
HeckinSprout wrote:

The "a sport is only a sport if people watch it" argument sounds sketchy. Not many in the USA watch Rugby or Cricket, but they are still sports. What's the critical amount of fans required to get the title?

Basing what is considered a sport on needing a majority share of the population approving of it seems like a slippery slope.

I see you are using quotation marks. Which means you are quoting someone. Who said those exact words? Who are you quoting?

As I recall nobody said that, but now you are saying someone said it. I believe what was said is that viewership by people who have NEVER participated in that activity is one of the many things that separate chess from sports.

You listed two great examples. Rugby and cricket. There is probably a HUGE percentage of viewers who watch those sports that have never played it. Even once. What percentage of chess event viewers do you believe have NEVER played chess?

In my limited experience with both live and televised chess tournaments I have never seen even one single person watch who has not played the game. Not a single one. Have you?

In contrast, I have witnessed MANY sports viewers who have never played the sport. I'm just one example. I watch the Superbowl almost every year because we usually throw a big party. But never in my life have I ever played football.

bro, quotation marks dont always mean your quoting someone/something

Bobby101132

Chess is considered a sport due to its demanding mental focus, strategic nature, competitive structure, and global recognition with a governing body, the International Chess Federation (FIDE), much like other sports.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Mental Demands:
Chess requires intense concentration, strategic planning, and the ability to analyze complex situations, which are skills that are honed through rigorous training and practice, similar to physical sports.
Competitive Nature:
Chess is a competitive activity where players strive to win, with tournaments and championships held at various levels, from local to international.
Global Recognition:
The International Chess Federation (FIDE) governs the sport, and chess is recognized as a sport by the International Olympic Committee (IOC), even though it's not currently an Olympic sport.
Rules and Etiquette:
Chess has a defined set of rules and etiquette, just like any other sport, ensuring fair play and a structured environment for competition.
Physical Demands (Indirect):
While chess is primarily a mental sport, elite chess players often need to be in good physical shape to handle the mental strain of long games and tournaments.
ELO rating system:
Chess players are ranked using the ELO rating system, which is similar to athlete rankings in other sports. Like all sports, chess has a defined set of rules and etiquettes. The International Chess Federation serves as the governing body of the sport of chess, and it regulates all international chess competitions. Additionally, the International Olympic Committee considers chess to be a sport.Dec 3, 2020

DiogenesDue

A sport is anything that any group of people call a sport. It's a definition that is usage-driven and locally defined. If you went to that island where the would-be missionary got himself killed and saw them playing hackey-sack, with betting and cheering spectators, and they told you it was a sport (let's pretend you got them to tolerate your presence and talk to you somehow), would you tell them it wasn't a sport? No. Because:

- They get to define their own sports

- They kill people they don't like

So, on the island of [whatever name they have for their own island]...another thing that cannot be defined for them externally, by the way...hackey-sack is a sport because people there have decided it is a sport. End of definition.

The rest is just hyperventilating and posturing. Some people have issues with wanting to define things for the whole world based on their narrow slice of it. It's like trying to tell someone born and raised in Firenze that their city is actually called Florence...you probably deserve whatever you get back for your arrogant ignorance.

Ziryab
DiogenesDue wrote:

A sport is anything that any group of people call a sport. It's a definition that is usage-driven and locally defined. If you went to that island where the would-be missionary got himself killed and saw them playing hackey-sack, with betting and cheering spectators, and they told you it was a sport (let's pretend you got them to tolerate your presence and talk to you somehow), would you tell them it wasn't a sport? No. Because:

- They get define their own sports

- They kill people they don't like

So, on the island of [whatever name they have for their own island]...another thing that cannot be defined for them externally, by the way...hackey-sack is a sport because people there have decided it is a sport. End of definition.

The rest is just hyperventilating and posturing. Some people have issues with wanting to define things for the whole world based on their narrow slice of it. It's like trying to tell someone born and raised in Firenze that their city is actually called Florence...you probably deserve whatever you get back for your arrogant ignorance.

See Clifford Geertz, "Deep Play: Notes on the Balinese Cockfight" in The Interpretation of Cultures (1973).

DiogenesDue
Ziryab wrote:

See Clifford Geertz, "Deep Play: Notes on the Balinese Cockfight" in The Interpretation of Cultures (1973).

Yes, that dovetails nicely.

I will assume my downvoters are rather narrow-minded but afraid to risk looking foolish by trying to argue the point.

Fabiano_Caruana2014

Chess is a mental sport. Things like football, basketball, American football, baseball and stuff like that are physical sports. So you could say it as a sport, though a mental one, or you could say we're talking physical sports only and in that case it wouldn't be a sport. It's not definitive.

Chess147

This debate will go on forever but fundamentally chess is a game. A board game. Football, cricket, tennis etc are ball games. They are referred to as sports when the competitive element is the main focus but it doesn't change the fact that chess is a board game in the same way that football is a ball game.

Someone who hunts for survival isn't doing it for sport but when they hunt for competition they are doing it for sport.

lfPatriotGames
Chess147 wrote:

This debate will go on forever but fundamentally chess is a game. A board game. Football, cricket, tennis etc are ball games. They are referred to as sports when the competitive element is the main focus but it doesn't change the fact that chess is a board game in the same way that football is a ball game.

Someone who hunts for survival isn't doing it for sport but when they hunt for competition they are doing it for sport.

Exactly.

Sport is one of those subjective things that people just make up as they go along. But generally words have meanings. Which is why a penguin eating plutonium while riding a bicycle isn't the same thing as a rabbit driving a car while talking on the phone.

People say that chess is a sport because they want it to be. Because the definition of the word is flexible. So people usually fall into two camps, the one that any word can mean anything, so chess is a "sport". And the one where words have meaning. That chess is a board game and sports are reserved for physical activities.

Ziryab

Plenty of folks here are using established definitions of sport that do not limit the term to physical activity. The term sport in common usage also signifies organized competition for which training and preparation are beneficial.

TRUNCATED dictionaries, of course, are limiting.

JardTheCreator
#3 Erm is that removed by mods or wut
emiremthias12

it is a sport

evil

soccer86677

its not

SacrificeEnPassanter
Bobby101132 wrote:

Chess is considered a sport due to its demanding mental focus, strategic nature, competitive structure, and global recognition with a governing body, the International Chess Federation (FIDE), much like other sports.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Mental Demands:
Chess requires intense concentration, strategic planning, and the ability to analyze complex situations, which are skills that are honed through rigorous training and practice, similar to physical sports.
Competitive Nature:
Chess is a competitive activity where players strive to win, with tournaments and championships held at various levels, from local to international.
Global Recognition:
The International Chess Federation (FIDE) governs the sport, and chess is recognized as a sport by the International Olympic Committee (IOC), even though it's not currently an Olympic sport.
Rules and Etiquette:
Chess has a defined set of rules and etiquette, just like any other sport, ensuring fair play and a structured environment for competition.
Physical Demands (Indirect):
While chess is primarily a mental sport, elite chess players often need to be in good physical shape to handle the mental strain of long games and tournaments.
ELO rating system:
Chess players are ranked using the ELO rating system, which is similar to athlete rankings in other sports. Like all sports, chess has a defined set of rules and etiquettes. The International Chess Federation serves as the governing body of the sport of chess, and it regulates all international chess competitions. Additionally, the International Olympic Committee considers chess to be a sport.Dec 3, 2020

Isn't that just Google AI Overview?

lfPatriotGames
Secretary_bird123 wrote:

I have classmates who disagree about this... What are the best arguments you guys have?

If you want to convince your classmates that chess is a sport use the equipment argument. In sports, like golf, tennis, track, football, etc the equipment you use (or in some cases things like shoes) give one opponent a distinct advantage over the other opponent. For example, a professional golfer using the very best equipment from 1984 will have big problems competing with a professional using equipment from 2024. Probably even more distinct in things like motorsports or any sport that uses newer lightweight materials.

So just explain that at a chess tournament, the player who uses the latest and greatest equipment, including apparel, is going to have a big advantage over the opponent who is using equipment from the 20th century.

Ziryab

Plenty of nonsense in this thread.