How do I defend the arguement that chess is a sport?

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ThePersonAboveYou

What about a sport about screaming the loudest or having the highest pitch scream

lfPatriotGames
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

Some sports require physical exertion some don't ....

Name a single sport that does not require physical exertion. Or even participation.

In the sport of target shooting, efforts are made to reduce all physical efforts of the shooter as near as zero as possible.

I don't doubt that. I have a friend whose husband shoots competitively. He has a 4 thousand dollar piece of equipment that will split a grain of gunpowder in half. Because the competition calls for a very precise amount of gunpowder.

But still, the person shooting the gun STILL has to physically participate in the event. He can't have someone else do it, and then claim victory himself. He has to pull the trigger. Not someone else.

BigChessplayer665

Hmmm good point not really physical exertion like frying your vocal cords

DreamscapeHorizons

Maybe playing bullet while someone is whacking you in the face with a pillow could be considered a sport.

Ziryab
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

Some sports require physical exertion some don't ....

Name a single sport that does not require physical exertion. Or even participation.

In the sport of target shooting, efforts are made to reduce all physical efforts of the shooter as near as zero as possible.

I don't doubt that. I have a friend whose husband shoots competitively. He has a 4 thousand dollar piece of equipment that will split a grain of gunpowder in half. Because the competition calls for a very precise amount of gunpowder.

But still, the person shooting the gun STILL has to physically participate in the event. He can't have someone else do it, and then claim victory himself. He has to pull the trigger. Not someone else.

I’d like to know more about his powder measure. A simple razor blade will split a kernel of gunpowder in half. Rifle powders are extruded—resembling short pieces of thin noodles. He will measure the gunpowder so that every round has precisely the same amount.

He also will make certain that brass is identical in weight and size (measuring length to the 1000th of an inch). Projectiles, too, are as uniform as possible. Match primers are more consistent than regular primers and cost about twice as much.

When my dad set a national record for small group with the Cast Bullet Association all his bullets were cast from the same mold, weighed precisely, and marked as to their orientation in the mold. He then used one cartridge, reloading between rounds with the bullet going into the cartridge and the cartridge going into the gun at precisely the same angle.

lfPatriotGames
Luke-Jaywalker wrote:
Secretary_bird123 wrote:

I have classmates who disagree about this... What are the best arguments you guys have?

never put yourself on the defensive or engage in argument.

simply say with conviction

”chess is a sport, end of story”.

That makes total sense. The world is flat, end of story.

lfPatriotGames
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

Some sports require physical exertion some don't ....

Name a single sport that does not require physical exertion. Or even participation.

In the sport of target shooting, efforts are made to reduce all physical efforts of the shooter as near as zero as possible.

I don't doubt that. I have a friend whose husband shoots competitively. He has a 4 thousand dollar piece of equipment that will split a grain of gunpowder in half. Because the competition calls for a very precise amount of gunpowder.

But still, the person shooting the gun STILL has to physically participate in the event. He can't have someone else do it, and then claim victory himself. He has to pull the trigger. Not someone else.

I’d like to know more about his powder measure. A simple razor blade will split a kernel of gunpowder in half. Rifle powders are extruded—resembling short pieces of thin noodles. He will measure the gunpowder so that every round has precisely the same amount.

He also will make certain that brass is identical in weight and size (measuring length to the 1000th of an inch). Projectiles, too, are as uniform as possible. Match primers are more consistent than regular primers and cost about twice as much.

When my dad set a national record for small group with the Cast Bullet Association all his bullets were cast from the same mold, weighed precisely, and marked as to their orientation in the mold. He then used one cartridge, reloading between rounds with the bullet going into the cartridge and the cartridge going into the gun at precisely the same angle.

He's a lawyer, and he won a huge case. So now he has more money than he knows what to do with. So now he trophy hunts in Africa, vacations all the time, and buys things that will split a grain of gunpowder in half. I'm not a gun person so I don't know. But I can ask him what the specific piece of equipment is, and why it's so important. To him at least.

Arma3WorldConflict

You don't . I just spent an entire game against some guy who didn't surrender to my +13 advantage until I checkmate them. It's stupid and pointless don't do it. You want to be a good sport : Know when something isn't worth it. What does defining chess as a sport gives you? it doesn't give you a recognition as an athlete because its not a field sport and regardless you can get on the Chess team, debate team, bridge team whatever . You don't need to spend your time convincing some dweeb that chess is a sport , wasted effort.

BigChessplayer665

The question is how do you defend the argument that chess is a sport

Not how to disagree with it (you can tho but it is making the forum off topic which is cool I guess) lol I wanna see the people disagreeing try to find ways to answer the question

Arma3WorldConflict
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

The question is how do you defend the argument that chess is a sport

Not how to disagree with it (you can tho but it is making the forum off topic which is cool I guess) lol I wanna see the people disagreeing try to find ways to answer the question

its actually very on topic and my point was that you don't need to defend it, so the "how" becomes irrelevant. Not caring is the best defense in this case. And you might ask how is that a defense ... Well he can't attack the idea that chess is a sport if you don't care for his opinion.

Ziryab
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

Some sports require physical exertion some don't ....

Name a single sport that does not require physical exertion. Or even participation.

In the sport of target shooting, efforts are made to reduce all physical efforts of the shooter as near as zero as possible.

I don't doubt that. I have a friend whose husband shoots competitively. He has a 4 thousand dollar piece of equipment that will split a grain of gunpowder in half. Because the competition calls for a very precise amount of gunpowder.

But still, the person shooting the gun STILL has to physically participate in the event. He can't have someone else do it, and then claim victory himself. He has to pull the trigger. Not someone else.

I’d like to know more about his powder measure. A simple razor blade will split a kernel of gunpowder in half. Rifle powders are extruded—resembling short pieces of thin noodles. He will measure the gunpowder so that every round has precisely the same amount.

He also will make certain that brass is identical in weight and size (measuring length to the 1000th of an inch). Projectiles, too, are as uniform as possible. Match primers are more consistent than regular primers and cost about twice as much.

When my dad set a national record for small group with the Cast Bullet Association all his bullets were cast from the same mold, weighed precisely, and marked as to their orientation in the mold. He then used one cartridge, reloading between rounds with the bullet going into the cartridge and the cartridge going into the gun at precisely the same angle.

He's a lawyer, and he won a huge case. So now he has more money than he knows what to do with. So now he trophy hunts in Africa, vacations all the time, and buys things that will split a grain of gunpowder in half. I'm not a gun person so I don't know. But I can ask him what the specific piece of equipment is, and why it's so important. To him at least.

There are lots of different forms of shooting competition. I suspect that he does long-range. Just a hunch.

All the gun forums I’ve seen cite Harrell’s Premium as the most accurate powder measure. It’s less than $500.

https://www.harrellsprecision.com/collections/powder-measures

That’s why I want to know what he’s using that costs thousands.

I would not be a little surprised to hear that his rifle cost four grand or his scope five*, but powder measures are much less expensive.

*Edit: I’m having trouble finding a scope that costs more than $3K https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/vortex-razor-hd-gen-iii-6-36x56-ffp-rifle-scope

Khnemu_Nehep

You don't. It's a game. Debate over.

Ziryab
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

Some sports require physical exertion some don't ....

Name a single sport that does not require physical exertion. Or even participation.

In the sport of target shooting, efforts are made to reduce all physical efforts of the shooter as near as zero as possible.

I don't doubt that. I have a friend whose husband shoots competitively. He has a 4 thousand dollar piece of equipment that will split a grain of gunpowder in half. Because the competition calls for a very precise amount of gunpowder.

But still, the person shooting the gun STILL has to physically participate in the event. He can't have someone else do it, and then claim victory himself. He has to pull the trigger. Not someone else.

I’d like to know more about his powder measure. A simple razor blade will split a kernel of gunpowder in half. Rifle powders are extruded—resembling short pieces of thin noodles. He will measure the gunpowder so that every round has precisely the same amount.

He also will make certain that brass is identical in weight and size (measuring length to the 1000th of an inch). Projectiles, too, are as uniform as possible. Match primers are more consistent than regular primers and cost about twice as much.

When my dad set a national record for small group with the Cast Bullet Association all his bullets were cast from the same mold, weighed precisely, and marked as to their orientation in the mold. He then used one cartridge, reloading between rounds with the bullet going into the cartridge and the cartridge going into the gun at precisely the same angle.

He's a lawyer, and he won a huge case. So now he has more money than he knows what to do with. So now he trophy hunts in Africa, vacations all the time, and buys things that will split a grain of gunpowder in half. I'm not a gun person so I don't know. But I can ask him what the specific piece of equipment is, and why it's so important. To him at least.

There are lots of different forms of shooting competition. I suspect that he does long-range. Just a hunch.

All the gun forums I’ve seen cite Harrell’s Premium as the most accurate powder measure. It’s less than $500.

https://www.harrellsprecision.com/collections/powder-measures

That’s why I want to know what he’s using that costs thousands.

I would not be a little surprised to hear that his rifle cost four grand or his scope five*, but powder measures are much less expensive.

*Edit: I’m having trouble finding a scope that costs more than $3K https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/vortex-razor-hd-gen-iii-6-36x56-ffp-rifle-scope

This powder measure is over $1000

https://www.prometheustoolcorp.com

Jared

Why is this still going on, and what on earth do these comments have to do with the topic?

DrSpudnik

Gun people have no idea how uninteresting gun bla bla bla is to the rest of the world.

Imagine going to a gun site and, in a discussion thread on chopping up pellets of gunpowder, you suddenly start about whether kingpawn of queenpawn openings are better?

Jared
DrSpudnik wrote:

Gun people have no idea how uninteresting gun bla bla bla is to the rest of the world.

Imagine going to a gun site and, in a discussion thread on chopping up pellets of gunpowder, you suddenly start about whether kingpawn of queenpawn openings are better?

Indeed. Blud is spot on.

FaZeCaT12

ches is not a sport is more of a game

BigChessplayer665

There are many games that can be played like sports

Jared
FaZeCaT12 wrote:

ches is not a sport is more of a game

It's not "more of a game" it is literally a game. If not what is it? A food?

But it is also a sport, games can be sports.

And it's sad that we need to keep explaining how it's a sport. Please tell me why you think it isn't, then I'll tell you my rebuttal.

Also you spelled chess wrong, so because of that I don't think you're even eligible to have a stance.

BigChessplayer665

I sport by definition is "a past time "