Deny expertise because those who devote their lives to a topic have a vested interest and are biased.
Nonsense.
You're actually quite thick.
Proceeds to accuse someone else of personal attacks.
This is why you lose.
in 1987 at the final game - kasparov-karpov, in one 5 hours game, they lost one 2 kg and one 5kg. After that event hidratation was permited.
I want to see how many other sports where they loose o much wieght during a matcht
the person with the highest IQ on the planet is a woman, so it must be a sport.
wait!! apparently you don’t need brains for chess ….. forgot
Social aspects can be consider more important that a word definition from many angles. (# 749) But I think is mainly a cultural aspect.Chess can be excellent educative tool,while Chess have a satus of popular sport, while educators can explain what,also we need others things for health ...The present is a consecuence of a past withouth chess as popular activity, without chess as popular education...The status of Chess as sport perhaps can adding money for some people? Is ok.Not my problem if the result can be a megadivulgation of so Benefic game.All can be good managed or bad managed.Thats do not excluded chess inherently as Sport.
IQ is not so important...if you dont have social skills...if you stuck in calculation when you need to move... In real life IQ is definetly overrated. I saw top of the class in matematics univercity that cannot make a life to keep a family and have a living...social IQ and other branches need to be analised
it’s a really tough problem,
for example …. why does rain fall ?
gravity, saturation of a cloud, vaporisation of the oceans, the sun,
the bonding of hydrogen and O2, the existence of subatomic particles,
so how many reasons can you find to make chess a sport?
but you can also play it real casual as a game if you prefer.
Chess is not a sport or a game.
it only becomes a sport when it’s played as a sport.
when you are studying chess, you are treating it as a subject to learn.
and when you are messing around with it, like ludo and snakes and letters, it’s a game.
And solving didactic problems in a chair is not synonymous with intelligence. IQ is a term created years after 1900, in the 20th century.Intelligent people already existed before that invention.Also Good Chess players before Chess orgs
And solving didactic problems in a chair is not synonymous with intelligence. IQ is a term created years after 1900, in the 20th century.Intelligent people already existed before that invention.Also Good Chess players before Chess orgs
Intelligence testing began in the late-nineteenth century, IIRC. Growth in its popularity was driven by the discredited Eugenics movement.
Social aspects can be consider more important that a word definition from many angles. (# 749) But I think is mainly a cultural aspect.Chess can be excellent educative tool, while Chess have a satus of popular sport, while educators can explain what,also we need others things for health ...The present is a consecuence of a past withouth chess as popular activity, without chess as popular education...The status of Chess as sport perhaps can adding money for some people? Is ok.Not my problem if the result can be a megadivulgation of so Benefic game.All can be good managed or bad managed.Thats do not excluded chess inherently as Sport.
Yes, pretty much. The question we're discussing is probably only capable of being subjectively assessed.
All I was doing, though, was offering one (only one) possible argument, which isn't intended to show that chess isn't a sport but which clearly shows that the idea that chess should be thought a sport because that is the considered opinion of the Committee of the International Association of Painted Red Lady GoGo Dancers ................. is definitely open to doubt. The Painted Blue ones might not share their opinion but lets just go with whatever we can cherry-pick.
Oh dear, there are some who won't be able to follow! Too many words!!! Too many concepts!!!!!!
Ahoy Righto
And solving didactic problems in a chair is not synonymous with intelligence. IQ is a term created years after 1900, in the 20th century.Intelligent people already existed before that invention.Also Good Chess players before Chess orgs
Intelligence testing began in the late-nineteenth century, IIRC. Growth in its popularity was driven by the discredited Eugenics movement.
Ok,I refering to IQ term
When two computers play chess against each other, are they engaged in a sport?
If the IOC no longer recognized chess as a sport, would chess stop being a sport?
And it is not necessary to dissociate one from the other "Mens sana in corpore sano"
And solving didactic problems in a chair is not synonymous with intelligence. IQ is a term created years after 1900, in the 20th century.Intelligent people already existed before that invention.Also Good Chess players before Chess orgs
Intelligence testing began in the late-nineteenth century, IIRC. Growth in its popularity was driven by the discredited Eugenics movement.
Ok,I refering to IQ term
The abbreviation IQ appears to have been coined in 1912, although the term intelligence quotient is older. Francis Galton, founder of Eugenics, developed the first efforts to measure intelligence, although the Binet-Simon test of 1905 is generally called the first "intelligence test".
A single number denoting IQ came later and was never the goal of tests developed by professionals. See Scott Barry Kaufman, Ungifted: Intelligence Redefined (2013).
So, your point is accurate.
Many people ignore the fact that sports that involve muscles require a lot of calculations. I remember eating every gram of carbohydrates and proteins by calculating them mathematically in pre-tournaments, taking into account the fluctuation of my weight, the loss of calories per day... and I learned from reading medical notes how hormones such as insulin and perhaps cortisol work, depending on our use of glucose, sugars and how they can fluctuate at different times of the day and activities... a real strategy, without taking into account how to surprise the judges in the comparisons in poses,occulting the weak points,and showing the best points depending of who was my rival.A battery of tactics. Conclusion: Sports work mind and body
IQ is not so important...if you dont have social skills...if you stuck in calculation when you need to move... In real life IQ is definetly overrated. I saw top of the class in matematics university that cannot make a life to keep a family and have a living...social IQ and other branches need to be analised
It's down to how you use it.
My son was apparently one of the three best mathematicians in his generation in the UK. But he's managing a data analysis section in engineering because of his social skills, as much as his physics PhD.
And just look at my social skills. I can definitely insult people in a diversity of ways!
Nor rly once people know what ur up to it's not very gud
I've mentioned this before but it should be mentioned again even if no-one who is blind is going to alter their opinions.
It is in the interest of many sporting bodies to draw into their orbit as much gaming and playing activity as they can. It increases their power, their funding etc.
Consequently, no argument that "chess is a sport because sporting bodies consider it to be a sport" is valid, when their self-interest is not brought into the argument. They are interested parties here and therefore have zero authority.
OTOH, the authority of bloviating from bloated egos …
Ziryab, try to remain pleasant. When you try hard, you can nearly hold your own in more intelligent company than you and if you concentrate on that, I've noticed that you can sometimes keep up appearances.
These forums here may well be the only ones in the World where personal attacks are considered legitimate, probably because they seem to some to level things up.
Skip the patronizing nonsense or I’ll stop being nice.
You really shouldn’t try to patronize anyone.
Are you saying that I'm patronising you, after you made that childish post #748? It was obvious whom it was aimed at and you're out of your league. OK, I'll pretend that you never made that post. Just bear in mind that you think you're very clever and there are one or two others who do, perhaps. That doesn't extend to us all. You shouldn't jump in and make personal attacks because you think you're supporting your friends by joining in the fray. They're trolls and you shouldn't wish to be thought one of them.
OK I'm prepared to let bygones go. Best wishes.
Blahblahblah don't be hypocritical I agree with ziryab
I don't know what's going on, but
1: don't attack people that didn't do anything
2: don't patronize people
3: try to be nice
4: unless it's necessary, please stay on topic
(I am not taking sides here I'm just saying this)
I pointed out that sports bodies which claim that chess should be considered a sport have vested interests in chess being considered a sport. Therefore their claim cannot be accepted at face value. Due to the potential conflict of interests, at the very least in any such argument, it should be admitted that they have vested interests. I am not stating when I think or imagine to be the case. I am stating what IS the case. It is something that any intelligent person will understand.
Z made a personal attack, because there is no answer to what I pointed out. However, personal attack is not a proper argument. If you agree with him, you might not understand which conclusions which will be drawn.
An argument consists of premises which force a conclusion. A conclusion is only forced when the relevant premises have been proposed. Here, a very significant premise is being left out, regarding conflict of interests. You're welcome to agree with Z as much as you want but he already lost the argument.
You cannot declare yourself the winner. That’s for others to judge.