How does Magnus survive without opening prep???

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jesterville

While the top rated players will always be the fav to win by odds, Candidates 2011 showed that strategy may overcome ratings deficiency. In 2011 one would also have predicted that either Aronian or Kramnik would have won...but neither even got to the finals. 

Ubik42

Magnus survives without opening prep (at all) in, I suspect, much the same way I do.

Ubik42
Estragon wrote:

The thing about Carlsen in a Super-GM event, which the Candidates will certainly be, is that his results seem always dependent only upon his own form.  It has nothing at all to do with the other players, pressure, the spotlight, any of that. 

If he is sick, or gets off to a poor start, or isn't playing his usual forbidding game, others have hope.

If Magnus is his normal self, he wins.  Anyone else in the field is depending on Magnus being off, first of all.

It is oh soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hard to do sarcasm on the netz.

AndyClifton

No it isn't.

gaereagdag

Carlsen sets up a Vulcan mind melt with Bobby Fischer. Easy.

beardogjones
Ubik42 wrote:
Estragon wrote:

The thing about Carlsen in a Super-GM event, which the Candidates will certainly be, is that his results seem always dependent only upon his own form.  It has nothing at all to do with the other players, pressure, the spotlight, any of that. 

If he is sick, or gets off to a poor start, or isn't playing his usual forbidding game, others have hope.

If Magnus is his normal self, he wins.  Anyone else in the field is depending on Magnus being off, first of all.

It is oh soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hard to do sarcasm on the netz.

Yes. Why should Magnus give anybody any credit - creating doubts

is part of his game.

sapientdust
waffllemaster wrote:

Watching some games yesterday one person mentioned the player Arron Levonian which I thought was pretty hilarious myself, although probably on purpose heh.

I think Carlsen Magnusson is even better ;-)

sapientdust
Reb wrote:

I believe the upcoming candidates tournament will be won by Carlsen , Aronian , or Kramnik .  I can't seen any of the other entrants having a chance . 

Caruana could have a chance if he is on form, but that doesn't seem likely given his abysmal performance at Wijk aan Zee. 

waffllemaster

How does Magnus survive without opening prep???

Carlsen:  Man I'mma tell you somethin' these chess skills that I got in my blood... it came from a family tree.  My grandad was a GM.  My great great great grandady was a GM.  I'm talkin' about GMin' since been GMin' since been GMin' since been GMin' !

Interviewer:  It's in your bloodline-

Carlsen:  -and you will never be a GM.

Interviewer:  Wait what?  What?

Carlsen:  'cause when you were born, all the people in your family was assistant GMs.

Interviewer:  GMin' the bloodline, man I thought you was the one the lord chose...

Carlsen: If it had not been for the lord, I would never have not another GM norm.

Interviewer:  No one says never have not another like you.

Carlsen:  Shut up and drive.

rooperi
BobbitStitcher wrote:

Carlsen is young, so obviously he hasn't had the accumulated opening knowledge that comes from experience. He frequently utilizes his youthful endurance to grind out wins from equal endings, a style which is not particularly admirable but which has worked for him.

I dont understand the bit in red?

ForgoneMoose
I'm fairly certain that Carlsen wins by being good, correct me if I'm wrong anyone.
TheGrobe
ForgoneMoose wrote:
I'm fairly certain that Carlsen wins by being good, correct me if I'm wrong anyone.

Is that all there is to it?  Man, to think I've been working at it.

sapientdust
ForgoneMoose wrote:
I'm fairly certain that Carlsen wins by being good, correct me if I'm wrong anyone.

Actually, he wins by playing better moves than his opponents.

bobbyDK
BobbitStitcher stem

Carlsen is young, so obviously he hasn't had the accumulated opening knowledge that comes from experience. He frequently utilizes his youthful endurance to grind out wins from equal endings, a style which is not particularly admirable but which has worked for him.

I think that is a good thing about Carlsen too many throw the grandmaster card in equal postion and think they can get a draw. Not Carlsen he will test who is best and this is the way it should be.
too many declare a positon a draw without proofing it.

Elubas

rooperi: I know, right? The thing he said that was not particularly admirable, was the particular thing that was admirable.

Clearly, grandmasters can lose in equal positions. It might not seem like they can, but Carlsen has shown, they in fact can. They will make mistakes eventually, even if just small accumulating ones.

waffllemaster

Catching a small error when it happens and using it to win is nearly impossible between equal players.  Maybe once or twice you get lucky, but to do it consistently is really not possible.  Carlsen's youth certainly helps him during these longs games, but I think his performance shows he is nearly a class above the number 2-10 players in the world at this time.

ozzie_c_cobblepot
BobbitStitcher wrote:

Carlsen is young, so obviously he hasn't had the accumulated opening knowledge that comes from experience. He frequently utilizes his youthful endurance to grind out wins from equal endings, a style which is not particularly admirable but which has worked for him.

This is basically what I said, but rephrased. Again: Karpov reincarnated.

bobbyDK
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jesterville

The whole myth of GMs is falling down. I can't recall who it was, but he (GM) stated that the reason some GMs agree to a quick draw, is because they are afraid to loose the half point. Carlsen shows that the game is played by humans not machines...in an even position the machine will find the draw...but the human will eventually make a mistake. 

Bill_C

Who was it that said Chess is the accumulation of small positional advances?

I agree that Carlsen is something of a younger Karpov but perhaps he is more like a Pal Benko or Tigran Petrosian in his games.

I also thought WC players were allowed seconds to help them brush up on openings to play as well as scout the opposition to see which opening are favorable to each player and which openings they struggle with.

Great posting though.