How long did it take you to get "good"

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torrubirubi
Better to take a rating in chess.com as reference, in a specific playing modus, rapid, daily, etc.

For me at the moment it would be "good" to get 1650 in Daily, but I dropped a lot of points against strong players in a tournament. I am not sure if it is such a great idea to play tournaments here with the goal of improve the rating, as some of the players are probably much stronger than their actual rating.
Mark_Zambelli
I would say I'm kinda good. I started when I was 19 about 500 rating. I'm 23 now and really haven't improved in over a year now as I don't study or have the drive to keep improving. I think it's fair to say you're good when you're above 1400 as it implies you have a decent eye for tactics and probably have openings that obey the opening principles.
darkunorthodox88
PowerofHope wrote:

For me it would be "good" to take first plaze in an U2200 tournament.

I dont think at the moment I'm good enough to consistently win and draw against 2000+ players.

 

hehehe your post reminded me of my last world open perfomance in u2200. 1of 4 undefeated, the other 3 being 1st 2nd and 3rd respectively, except i got no money at 6 draws three wins lol.  at least i can brag that experts cant touch this!

fieldsofforce
thedecider wrote:

I know "good" is subjective so just tell me bout your progression, where you started and how long it took you to get where you are now.

 

I played for a few months when i was 18 and then not again for ten years.  I've found a new appreciation for the game and realize just how much nuance is involved.  How long have you guys been playing?  Months?  Years?  Tell me bout your progression.

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I began building an opening repertoire before computers.  I had to build my opening tree by hand.  It took me 8 years.  Today computers build opening trees automatically.  Building an opening repertoire with 3 openings as White and 3 openings as Black takes only 2-3 years.  Endgame technique is what takes the longest.  But eventually one understands that there must be  2 weaknesses in the opponent's

position in order to exploit a winning position into a won position.  There are so many other techniques that one has to know.  Alot of the technique has to be something that can be oerformed in one's sleep.

The focal point of the method is practice 1 hour in 4 areas:

Tactic visualization pattern memory bank

Endgame visualization pattern memory bank

Opening visualization pattern memory bank

Middlegame visualization pattern memory bank

Your goal everyday is to accumulate more and more memory banks into your brain.  After years you have accumulated thousands of memory banks.

lkjaweqewrqwerq

two years-first was my tactical training and second was my positional training. 

darkunorthodox88
fieldsofforce wrote:
thedecider wrote:

I know "good" is subjective so just tell me bout your progression, where you started and how long it took you to get where you are now.

 

I played for a few months when i was 18 and then not again for ten years.  I've found a new appreciation for the game and realize just how much nuance is involved.  How long have you guys been playing?  Months?  Years?  Tell me bout your progression.

                                                                          ______________________

I began building an opening repertoire before computers.  I had to build my opening tree by hand.  It took me 8 years.  Today computers build opening trees automatically.  Building an opening repertoire with 3 openings as White and 3 openings as Black takes only 2-3 years.  Endgame technique is what takes the longest.  But eventually one understands that there must be  2 weaknesses in the opponent's

position in order to exploit a winning position into a won position.  There are so many other techniques that one has to know.  Alot of the technique has to be something that can be oerformed in one's sleep.

The focal point of the method is practice 1 hour in 4 areas:

Tactic visualization pattern memory bank

Endgame visualization pattern memory bank

Opening visualization pattern memory bank

Middlegame visualization pattern memory bank

Your goal everyday is to accumulate more and more memory banks into your brain.  After years you have accumulated thousands of memory banks.

are you even an expert? this all sounds like nonsense.

Lorgen

If it ever happens, I'll let you know.

darkunorthodox88

chess is not a memory game, at least not in the traditional meaning of the term. its a game that heavily rewards pattern recognition. the number of positions you actively need to memorize is actually not that high.

 

even in openings, if you are good player, you can often guess correctly what a good move looks like because you understand piece placement or the demands of a position.good opening sequences have reasons behind them. If you find yourself memorizing 20 moves deep into an opening without understanding why to any of it, you are doing it wrong. you will likely get pummeled at the slighest deviation.

B_Rook
fieldsofforce wrote:
thedecider wrote:

I know "good" is subjective so just tell me bout your progression, where you started and how long it took you to get where you are now.

 

I played for a few months when i was 18 and then not again for ten years.  I've found a new appreciation for the game and realize just how much nuance is involved.  How long have you guys been playing?  Months?  Years?  Tell me bout your progression.

                                                                          ______________________

I began building an opening repertoire before computers.  I had to build my opening tree by hand.  It took me 8 years.  Today computers build opening trees automatically.  Building an opening repertoire with 3 openings as White and 3 openings as Black takes only 2-3 years.  Endgame technique is what takes the longest.  But eventually one understands that there must be  2 weaknesses in the opponent's

position in order to exploit a winning position into a won position.  There are so many other techniques that one has to know.  Alot of the technique has to be something that can be oerformed in one's sleep.

The focal point of the method is practice 1 hour in 4 areas:

Tactic visualization pattern memory bank

Endgame visualization pattern memory bank

Opening visualization pattern memory bank

Middlegame visualization pattern memory bank

Your goal everyday is to accumulate more and more memory banks into your brain.  After years you have accumulated thousands of memory banks.

There is no set way or method. What it all boils down to is intuition, Carlsen always speaks about this. Calculation and visualisation is something you're either good at or not, but decision making is based purely on intuition built upon experience and knowledge. Other aspects like being aggressive, competitive and a good self critic are also key aspects. Most people don't have these as they're not naturally any of the above or haven't reached heights in other fields which require such attributes so wouldn't know how to even begin thinking in that way. 

fieldsofforce
B_Rook wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
thedecider wrote:

I know "good" is subjective so just tell me bout your progression, where you started and how long it took you to get where you are now.

 

I played for a few months when i was 18 and then not again for ten years.  I've found a new appreciation for the game and realize just how much nuance is involved.  How long have you guys been playing?  Months?  Years?  Tell me bout your progression.

                                                                          ______________________

I began building an opening repertoire before computers.  I had to build my opening tree by hand.  It took me 8 years.  Today computers build opening trees automatically.  Building an opening repertoire with 3 openings as White and 3 openings as Black takes only 2-3 years.  Endgame technique is what takes the longest.  But eventually one understands that there must be  2 weaknesses in the opponent's

position in order to exploit a winning position into a won position.  There are so many other techniques that one has to know.  Alot of the technique has to be something that can be oerformed in one's sleep.

The focal point of the method is practice 1 hour in 4 areas:

Tactic visualization pattern memory bank

Endgame visualization pattern memory bank

Opening visualization pattern memory bank

Middlegame visualization pattern memory bank

Your goal everyday is to accumulate more and more memory banks into your brain.  After years you have accumulated thousands of memory banks.

There is no set way or method. What it all boils down to is intuition, Carlsen always speaks about this. Calculation and visualisation is something you're either good at or not, but decision making is based purely on intuition built upon experience and knowledge. Other aspects like being aggressive, competitive and a good self critic are also key aspects. Most people don't have these as they're not naturally any of the above or haven't reached heights in other fields which require such attributes so wouldn't know how to even begin thinking in that way. 

                                                                             ____________________

You are the typical class A player.  You have acquired a little chess knowledge.  Now you think you can expand on that and suddenly you know everything about chess.  Everything on this post of yours is perfect on paper.

Let's test your knowledge about chess.  What is the move that is the demarcation line between the opening and the middlegame?  In other words, what is the first move of the middlegame?

fieldsofforce
DeirdreSkye wrote:
B_Rook wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
 

 Carlsen always speaks about this. Calculation and visualisation is something you're either good at or not, 

So does that mean you can't train  calculation and visualisation? You can't improve them?

 There is no skill that can't be trained and can't be improved. 

 

    

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No, No. No

B_Rook wrote:  Carlsen always speaks about this. Calculation and visualisation is something you're either good at or not, 

Please don't misquote me.  Thanks

B_Rook
fieldsofforce wrote:
B_Rook wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
thedecider wrote:

I know "good" is subjective so just tell me bout your progression, where you started and how long it took you to get where you are now.

 

I played for a few months when i was 18 and then not again for ten years.  I've found a new appreciation for the game and realize just how much nuance is involved.  How long have you guys been playing?  Months?  Years?  Tell me bout your progression.

                                                                          ______________________

I began building an opening repertoire before computers.  I had to build my opening tree by hand.  It took me 8 years.  Today computers build opening trees automatically.  Building an opening repertoire with 3 openings as White and 3 openings as Black takes only 2-3 years.  Endgame technique is what takes the longest.  But eventually one understands that there must be  2 weaknesses in the opponent's

position in order to exploit a winning position into a won position.  There are so many other techniques that one has to know.  Alot of the technique has to be something that can be oerformed in one's sleep.

The focal point of the method is practice 1 hour in 4 areas:

Tactic visualization pattern memory bank

Endgame visualization pattern memory bank

Opening visualization pattern memory bank

Middlegame visualization pattern memory bank

Your goal everyday is to accumulate more and more memory banks into your brain.  After years you have accumulated thousands of memory banks.

There is no set way or method. What it all boils down to is intuition, Carlsen always speaks about this. Calculation and visualisation is something you're either good at or not, but decision making is based purely on intuition built upon experience and knowledge. Other aspects like being aggressive, competitive and a good self critic are also key aspects. Most people don't have these as they're not naturally any of the above or haven't reached heights in other fields which require such attributes so wouldn't know how to even begin thinking in that way. 

                                                                             ____________________

You are the typical class A player.  You have acquired a little chess knowledge.  Now you think you can expand on that and suddenly you know everything about chess.  Everything on this post of yours is perfect on paper.

Let's test your knowledge about chess.  What is the move that is the demarcation line between the opening and the middlegame?  In other words, what is the first move of the middlegame?

There is no clear line between the opening and middlegame, and between the middlegame and endgame. In modern chess, the moves that make up an opening blend into the middlegame, so there is no sharp divide. - wiki

fieldsofforce
B_Rook wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
B_Rook wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
thedecider wrote:

I know "good" is subjective so just tell me bout your progression, where you started and how long it took you to get where you are now.

 

I played for a few months when i was 18 and then not again for ten years.  I've found a new appreciation for the game and realize just how much nuance is involved.  How long have you guys been playing?  Months?  Years?  Tell me bout your progression.

                                                                          ______________________

I began building an opening repertoire before computers.  I had to build my opening tree by hand.  It took me 8 years.  Today computers build opening trees automatically.  Building an opening repertoire with 3 openings as White and 3 openings as Black takes only 2-3 years.  Endgame technique is what takes the longest.  But eventually one understands that there must be  2 weaknesses in the opponent's

position in order to exploit a winning position into a won position.  There are so many other techniques that one has to know.  Alot of the technique has to be something that can be oerformed in one's sleep.

The focal point of the method is practice 1 hour in 4 areas:

Tactic visualization pattern memory bank

Endgame visualization pattern memory bank

Opening visualization pattern memory bank

Middlegame visualization pattern memory bank

Your goal everyday is to accumulate more and more memory banks into your brain.  After years you have accumulated thousands of memory banks.

There is no set way or method. What it all boils down to is intuition, Carlsen always speaks about this. Calculation and visualisation is something you're either good at or not, but decision making is based purely on intuition built upon experience and knowledge. Other aspects like being aggressive, competitive and a good self critic are also key aspects. Most people don't have these as they're not naturally any of the above or haven't reached heights in other fields which require such attributes so wouldn't know how to even begin thinking in that way. 

                                                                             ____________________

You are the typical class A player.  You have acquired a little chess knowledge.  Now you think you can expand on that and suddenly you know everything about chess.  Everything on this post of yours is perfect on paper.

Let's test your knowledge about chess.  What is the move that is the demarcation line between the opening and the middlegame?  In other words, what is the first move of the middlegame?

There is no clear line between the opening and middlegame, and between the middlegame and endgame. In modern chess, the moves that make up an opening blend into the middlegame, so there is no sharp divide. - wiki

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Wiki is a generic and very weak authority to cite.  The correct answer is that in almost all cases the executed pawn break move is the first move of the plan of attack by the player that executes the pawn break move.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

....I was born good luv.

Lola (smoochie woochies) 

fieldsofforce
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

....I was born good luv.

Lola (smoochie woochies) 

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And no doubt with lots of smoochie woochies good is whatyou will stay.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

....and melted butter you'd be w/ me....Mr. Sugar Fields !

fieldsofforce
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

....and melted butter you'd be w/ me fof.

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Oh sweetie:  "...I promise NOT to like it!

WilliamJohnB
thedecider wrote:

I know "good" is subjective so just tell me bout your progression, where you started and how long it took you to get where you are now.

 

I played for a few months when i was 18 and then not again for ten years.  I've found a new appreciation for the game and realize just how much nuance is involved.  How long have you guys been playing?  Months?  Years?  Tell me bout your progression.

 

       Well, I started playing when I was 7 or 8 years old.   But I didn't play in my USCF-rated tourney until I just turned 9 years old.  Starting at the point of my first USCF-rated tourney, 8 years and 2 chess coaches later, I became "good" (which I will define as cracking 2000 USCF).   I originally quit chess to focus on college and other important areas of life.  A couple of years after graduating college and during my grad school days, I randomly decided to get back into chess and cracked 2100 USCF only a few months after getting back into it.  But unfortunately, it dropped back below 2100 USCF.  Fortunately, I have managed to keep my rating above 2050 USCF over the last 5 years.

fieldsofforce
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
thedecider wrote:

I know "good" is subjective so just tell me bout your progression, where you started and how long it took you to get where you are now.

 

I played for a few months when i was 18 and then not again for ten years.  I've found a new appreciation for the game and realize just how much nuance is involved.  How long have you guys been playing?  Months?  Years?  Tell me bout your progression.

                                                                          ______________________

I began building an opening repertoire before computers.  I had to build my opening tree by hand.  It took me 8 years.  Today computers build opening trees automatically.  Building an opening repertoire with 3 openings as White and 3 openings as Black takes only 2-3 years.  Endgame technique is what takes the longest.  But eventually one understands that there must be  2 weaknesses in the opponent's

position in order to exploit a winning position into a won position.  There are so many other techniques that one has to know.  Alot of the technique has to be something that can be oerformed in one's sleep.

The focal point of the method is practice 1 hour in 4 areas:

Tactic visualization pattern memory bank

Endgame visualization pattern memory bank

Opening visualization pattern memory bank

Middlegame visualization pattern memory bank

Your goal everyday is to accumulate more and more memory banks into your brain.  After years you have accumulated thousands of memory banks.

are you even an expert? this all sounds like nonsense.

                                                                             _________________________

are you even an expert? this all sounds like nonsense.

The most basic visualization pattern memory bank is K + p vs. K.  With White  to move there is a 3 step technique to queening the pawn.  Then there is the 4 forced mate endgame positions (K+Q vs. K, K+R vs. K, K+2B vs. K, K+B+N vs. K) involving the corralling technique.  There are many endgame positions like the Lucena position, Philidor position, etc.  All of these are endgame visualization pattern memory banks which the player that has accumulated these thousands of memory banks must be able to perform them in his sleep.

darkunorthodox88
fieldsofforce wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
thedecider wrote:

I know "good" is subjective so just tell me bout your progression, where you started and how long it took you to get where you are now.

 

I played for a few months when i was 18 and then not again for ten years.  I've found a new appreciation for the game and realize just how much nuance is involved.  How long have you guys been playing?  Months?  Years?  Tell me bout your progression.

                                                                          ______________________

I began building an opening repertoire before computers.  I had to build my opening tree by hand.  It took me 8 years.  Today computers build opening trees automatically.  Building an opening repertoire with 3 openings as White and 3 openings as Black takes only 2-3 years.  Endgame technique is what takes the longest.  But eventually one understands that there must be  2 weaknesses in the opponent's

position in order to exploit a winning position into a won position.  There are so many other techniques that one has to know.  Alot of the technique has to be something that can be oerformed in one's sleep.

The focal point of the method is practice 1 hour in 4 areas:

Tactic visualization pattern memory bank

Endgame visualization pattern memory bank

Opening visualization pattern memory bank

Middlegame visualization pattern memory bank

Your goal everyday is to accumulate more and more memory banks into your brain.  After years you have accumulated thousands of memory banks.

are you even an expert? this all sounds like nonsense.

                                                                             _________________________

are you even an expert? this all sounds like nonsense.

The most basic visualization pattern memory bank is K + p vs. K.  With White  to move there is a 3 step technique to queening the pawn.  Then there is the 4 forced mate endgame positions (K+Q vs. K, K+R vs. K, K+2B vs. K, K+B+N vs. K) involving the corralling technique.  There are many endgame positions like the Lucena position, Philidor position, etc.  All of these are endgame visualization pattern memory banks which the player that has accumulated these thousands of memory banks must be able to perform them in his sleep.

i was an expert before i learned almost any of these. if that doesnt refute your theory on memory banks, i dont know what will