When I offer a draw in online, I usually say something in the char box too, in case they miss the offer.
I can't be sure, but I'm almost certain that this works, since I started doing this many more accept dead drawn positions.
Now, Is it bad form to offer a draw, and point out the drawing line to your opponent?
When you continue to play after a draw offer from your opponent this IS declining the draw offer.
Normally, I'd agree with you. But in the case of turn based games here, several people in this thread have stated that the draw offers sometimes aren't obvious enough. Coding something into the site to make them stand out more, like a message that asks "By making a move, you are decling your opponent's draw offer. Are you sure you wish to do this? (Yes/No)" when you move would seem to be reasonable to correct this issue.
--Fromper
No, Reb is right on this point -if you make a move that is an implied declination of the other player's draw offer.
Otherwise if you had to click on yes or no in a dialog box every time your opponent offers a draw before you could make a move, I predict people will use that in an unethical manner to cause you to lose time on your clock.
Correct. This is in line with OTB where body language (i.e. shaking hands or moving) is usually used in lieu of a verbal "no."
Another rule many miss here is that you are to move before offering draw and some get offended when you ask them to do so before deciding.
Correct. This is in line with OTB where body language (i.e. shaking hands or moving) is usually used in lieu of a verbal "no."
Another rule many miss here is that you are to move before offering draw and some get offended when you ask them to do so before deciding.
surely you would only shake hands if you were accepting the draw?
There was a n apocryphal tale about a junior tournament in the UK where one child offered a draw before moving. His opponent told him to make a move...first kid thought for a few minutes and then found a mate in one...
Correct. This is in line with OTB where body language (i.e. shaking hands or moving) is usually used in lieu of a verbal "no."
Another rule many miss here is that you are to move before offering draw and some get offended when you ask them to do so before deciding.
surely you would only shake hands if you were accepting the draw?
There was a n apocryphal tale about a junior tournament in the UK where one child offered a draw before moving. His opponent told him to make a move...first kid thought for a few minutes and then found a mate in one...
Of course. Shaking hands implies the end of the game (although there could be some cultural differences that I am not aware of).
This does bring up a good question. What are the "official" chess rules for when a draw has been accepted. Certainly a "yes" or other affirmative statement would count but what if someone shakes hands and then sees a winning move and tries to wiggle out of draw?
I guess this is why we have TD and the opening to the laws of chess state (paraphrased): "The laws of chess cannot describe every circumstance that will happen in the course of a chess game..."
Shaking hands by itself is not an acceptance of a draw. It could be resignation or accepting the resignation of a player.
That's why especially if there is a language barrier it's proper to politely tip your king over if you are resigning.
Not take your hand and swipe all the black pieces from the board, as an FM did to me once at an otb tournament (he lost).
I've had to write a few apology emails to friends after a game or two in the past due to such swiping nature but I would never do that in a tournament!! Or at a chess club for that matter.
When you continue to play after a draw offer from your opponent this IS declining the draw offer.
Normally, I'd agree with you. But in the case of turn based games here, several people in this thread have stated that the draw offers sometimes aren't obvious enough. Coding something into the site to make them stand out more, like a message that asks "By making a move, you are decling your opponent's draw offer. Are you sure you wish to do this? (Yes/No)" when you move would seem to be reasonable to correct this issue.
--Fromper
No, Reb is right on this point -if you make a move that is an implied declination of the other player's draw offer.
Otherwise if you had to click on yes or no in a dialog box every time your opponent offers a draw before you could make a move, I predict people will use that in an unethical manner to cause you to lose time on your clock.
And as I said above, I agree. HOWEVER, in turn based chess on this site, because of the layout of the web site, it's easier than it should be to miss seeing a draw offer from your opponent, as mentioned by multiple posters in this thread. Having something additional in that case, for turn based only, might be useful.
--Fromper
I saw this happen once when one player was a bit hard of hearing and the other insisted in whispering very softly. Player A offered a draw in a loosing position and held his hand out in request -- Player B couldn't hear him and thought he was resigning so shook his hand -- it was only after they started the post mortem that they realized what had happened -- luckily for the TD they were sporting enough to start the clock again and continue.
Penso que há uma ilha onde os empates foram extinguidos.
I think there is a island in europe where drawing is not valid.
Tradução à pressa.
When you continue to play after a draw offer from your opponent this IS declining the draw offer.
Normally, I'd agree with you. But in the case of turn based games here, several people in this thread have stated that the draw offers sometimes aren't obvious enough. Coding something into the site to make them stand out more, like a message that asks "By making a move, you are decling your opponent's draw offer. Are you sure you wish to do this? (Yes/No)" when you move would seem to be reasonable to correct this issue.
--Fromper
No, Reb is right on this point -if you make a move that is an implied declination of the other player's draw offer.
Otherwise if you had to click on yes or no in a dialog box every time your opponent offers a draw before you could make a move, I predict people will use that in an unethical manner to cause you to lose time on your clock.
And as I said above, I agree. HOWEVER, in turn based chess on this site, because of the layout of the web site, it's easier than it should be to miss seeing a draw offer from your opponent, as mentioned by multiple posters in this thread. Having something additional in that case, for turn based only, might be useful.
--Fromper
If the words "draw offer" were in a large, red font and flashed at you, you'd think it was an ad and disregard it.
I think it's conspicuous enough right now, but it occurs to me - what about live chess, do you see the draw offer if you have chat disabled?
Although not a perfect solution, perhaps in the alerts in the home page the word, "draw offered" could be displayed.
For instance in this current alert I have (excuse formatting) perhaps this could be displayed after "Plasterdust"
Alerts
I just had a [ EDITED BY A MOD: DO NOT CALL ANY OTHER USER NAmes, or name them in public forums for rude behavior.] that sent me over 30 draw offers during a live Bullet game on my tablet. He ran my clock down because I had to decline every single one. Otherwise, he would have lost the game instead of draw.
There should be a limit to prevent these kinds of greifers from abusing the system.
Either limit the number of draw offers per turn (they shouldn't be able to keep sending it to you after you decline, you'll never get to play your turn), or limit the overall amount they can send during the came; or both.
When you continue to play after a draw offer from your opponent this IS declining the draw offer.
Normally, I'd agree with you. But in the case of turn based games here, several people in this thread have stated that the draw offers sometimes aren't obvious enough. Coding something into the site to make them stand out more, like a message that asks "By making a move, you are decling your opponent's draw offer. Are you sure you wish to do this? (Yes/No)" when you move would seem to be reasonable to correct this issue.
--Fromper