How old can you be, and still be able to improve in chess?

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Verbeena
ossilov wrote:

But what do you guys aim as a goal? 

 

Great question. A simple answer is to have fun. What makes chess fun? I really enjoy the intellectual challenge of playing, learning and improving at chess, and it feels great when i manage to outplay my opponent. When i loose, i feel motivated to learn from my mistakes so that i can play sharper next time.

 

My short term goal is to get a OTB rating. I will get one after playing a few more tournaments. After that my goal will probably be to play more OTB tournaments and steady increase my rating as long as playing chess bring something positive into my life.

mgx9600
ossilov wrote:

I am a woman at 70. From childhood I have of course learned how to move the pieces. I started to play chess a few years ago, and did surprisingly well in a norwegian tournament on chess.com.  Then I took a pause, but started again not so long ago.  It goes up and down, and my question is this: Can I even think of improving in chess at my age?

 

Personally, I think 70 might be too old for most people, but you may be an exception.  Anyway, even if you don't improve, there's some research results that suggest chess can help stave off Alzheimer's disease --so at least its got this benefit even if you don't improve.

michael432000

 

 

Of course seventy is not too old to improve.

 

Obviously the lower your rating the easier it will be to improve at any age.

 

If you are rated around 1400 and not familiar with the fundamental rule taught in this short twelve minute video then watch it and see the structure and quality of your games improve.

 

To take is a mistake by GM Igor Smirnov:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-k2fRVYeFg

ossilov

Thank you for this video!

MickinMD

I'm 67 and returned to chess in 2017 after many years away from the game.  There are things I learned in 2017 I didn't know before, mainly due to the tremendous increase in chess tactics training, overall info, etc. on the Internet, and think I'm a better player for it.

Here is my Tactics Trainer rating at chesstempo for 2017 - you can see the upward trend from 1500 to over 1700:

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ponz111

Yes, there is so much chess information availabe that almost any particular chess player can improve at any age when he is still rational.

ponz111

Post #74 with a lesson from GM Igor Smirnov is great. "TO TAKE IS A MISTAKE"

I have been trying to teach this concept for decades. However GM Smirnov explains this chess concept much better than i ever could.

Any player Class B or stronger can learn a lot from this concept.

TexasPatzer

I think the fallacy that older people can't improve is based on the fact that as older grandmasters age, they begin to give way to the younger crowd coming up behind them.  However, that is the very top of chess where the mental capacity to stay on top diminishes enough that they can't stay at their peak.  Almost all of these GM's are still able to compete, they just don't become world champions or get 1st place in major tournaments as often.  The drop off based on age is not so great that an 'average' club player can't improve and enjoy chess.   A few years ago, I saw a big deal made because a 40+ year old became a grandmaster.  But that was the upper levels of chess that made it such a big deal.

 

Perhaps a club player aged 50+ has the odds stacked against them making GM, but that doesn't mean a club player can't improve their game and move up a class or two or three.  Especially a novice, who now finds the time to actually study tactics and positional themes.  The leap is just not as great and is more attainable.  As long as you have some mental sharpness, there is no reason a class player cannot improve.  If the goal is making GM and you are just starting out, no harm in attempting it!  However, if an older player who never played the game wants to compete at a club level, there isn't as much of a big jump and YES you can improve and be competitive!  Youth is truly wasted on the young, but you can teach old dogs new tricks.

 

SeniorPatzer

Amen Texas Patzer!  Amen!

mgx9600

I remember replying to a similar post.  Why do all the old people want to know if they are too old to improve?  Alzheimer's?

 

Here's the truth: if you must ask, then you are too old.

Bookmark my advice so that you can remember it.

 

 

 

(I'm kidding of course.  Normally I don't add any more to sarcasm, but old people just can't take jokes about age like they used to.  I hate the entitlement generation.)

zborg

Making a qualitative leap in chess playing strength is every 400 points for USCF.

After a certain age, (which is different for different chess players) you will NOT be able to make any more qualitative leaps in your playing strength.  End of Story.

Is that a simple enough Summary For All, after more than a year of posting??

Stated another way -- Chess isn't rocket science, but becoming a GM might require that you begin studying with the mind of a (young) rocket scientist.

Yes, that pun is intended.  grin.png 

solskytz
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zborg

Deleted for good reason?  Or not?

mgx9600

He can't remember.

 

solskytz

Probably for a good reason...

ossilov

I thank the ones of you, who have given me some good advice. But, obviously there are some young boys out here, who only want to make some good fun. To themselves. To you all I can say: After I posted this question I can clearly see that I have improved in chess. I still make my blunders, but more seldom than before. And in between I can make a really good move. And: I keep the Alzheimer away by playing chess!

OldPatzerMike

Age does limit how far you can advance in chess, but not whether you can improve. At my age of 67, for example, it's too late to ever become a GM or IM, and even NM is most probably out of the question. But after intensive study over the past year, I understand chess better than ever and am playing the best chess of my life. In my last six tournament games, my results were +4-1=1 against opposition with an average rating higher than mine.

My conclusion is that as long as your health holds up, you can continue to improve. The key is having the time and the will to work hard at it.

ilikewindmills
If you don't know how to play chess and you learn at 31 I'd say you've improved at chess.
WalangAlam

Probably with the right coach one can still improve even at an advance age, but that depends on the memory performance as well.

luckbird

57 years old ?