How to deal with the purposeful fouls of opponents?

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ThrillerFan

In response to the OP, I have a few comments and various scenarios that have occurred:

 

1) First of all, there are no "Refs" in chess.  They are Tournament Directors, or TD's, for short.

2) In your scenario 1, the first draw offer there is nothing wrong with.  I refuse to look at ratings and base it on that.  I have offered a draw before to a 2300 as a 2100 player and to a 1900 as a 2100 player.  If he is repeatedly offering you a draw, you should speak to the TD.  If it feels like the TD is doing nothing, you HECKLE the TD.  Not by calling him names or anything like that.  Next draw offer, complain again!  Complain again!  And again!  And again!.  Also, don't verbally comment to your opponent that it's not a draw.  Just make the move as your way of declining.  No need to rush to make it.  You offer me a draw, I might still take 24 minutes, and make my move and hit the clock!.

3) Again, in your second scenario, speak to the TD.  Complain enough times and he'll have to do something about it.

4) In your third incident, again, TD!

5) In your fourth incident, he could have a health problem.  Was he older?  Some old people have to breathe hard.  Same with asthmatics.

6) Not sure what you find wrong with your 5th opponent.  If he wants to play for cheap shot tricks, like 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nc6 3.Qh5, let him!  Just don't fall for them and his position will be worse!

 

 

As for instances I've head to deal with, how about these:

 

1) In South Carolina in 1998, a director who was 1300ish in rating clearly didn't know the rules (his name was Pete Danker).  I was White with very little time left.  When this happened, the White King was on f2, and there were Black Rooks on g4 and g8.  Don't recall the exact squares of everything else.  The following moves were played with Black to move:  1...Rd4 2.Ke3 Rdg4 3.Kf2 Rh8 4.Kg2 Rhg8 and then I declare 5.Kf2 for 3-fold repetition.  10 minutes were spent and a player that happened to be TD certified had to chime in and explain to the clown that 3-fold repetition, even after showing him in the USCF rulebook, is repetition of position with the same player to move, said player having the same legal options, and NOT repetition of moves.  It doesn't not require back and forth movement of the same pieces consecutively.  After 15 minutes or so, the clown finally got the clue and ruled it a draw!

 

2.  In 2003 in Orlando, Cajun Chess ran a tournament.  The clowns that directed that tournament in Orlando in October 2003 were nowhere to be found.  They were well away from the tournament hall either drinking or cracking jokes or something else.  Well, I was facing a well known cheater named Antonio Angel in the first round and he was moving his piece with one hand and hitting the clock with the other while the piece was still airborne, trying to run me out of time.  I had 26 seconds left in a complicated but winning position.  I try to stop the clock to get a TD and he would re-start it, saying I have to get the TD with the clock running.  I actually had to send an observer to get the TD while I stopped the cheater from continuing my clock.  You ask why I say "cheater"?  In 2005 at the World Open, round 3, he is at the board next to mine.  I am busy playing Black and winning a French MacCutcheon game, and the guy next to me had to use the restroom.  Antonio proceeds to play h2-h4 and hits the clock (it was his turn), and a minute later, he retracts the pawn, moving it back to h2, and proceeds to re-start his own clock.  I reported it to the TD, and Antonio was stupid enough to not even realize the Chronos had a counter, and I proved it with his crossed out h4 on his scoresheet and the counter on the clock was wrong!  Normally I don't interfere with other games, but that was in my section, and I will report all cheating in my section as it could impact further pairings.

 

3) In 2013 at the Chicago Open, Round 6, I am playing Ben Finegold's son, Spencer.  If you ever dealt with this guy, he's a complete and total clown!  It was no different here.  I have a pawn on f7 (I'm White) and he has a Rook.  The position is drawn, but he was pissed because earlier he was a pawn up in a Rook and Pawn endgame, and I weaseled out of it.  I offer him a draw.  He doesn't proceed to accept, and just flat out leaves.  After 10 minutes, I report to the TD about desertion, requesting to start the 15-minute clock.  The TD actually proceeds to try to find him in the skittles room and brings him back to accept the draw or play on.  Personally, I think that should be the player's responsibility alone to come back.  I should have gotten a forfeit win via desertion.  With the tone of the TD and what he did, clearly this clown has done similar things before, and has been a problem child more than once.  He also came to Charlotte once to play in a local tournament and a couple of us, myself one of them, asked a simple question about who won when they were analyzing, and rather than saying it was a draw, he gives a snide tone remark of "neither", and so one said "so it was a draw?", and he said something that was completely obnoxious that I don't recall.

 

 

So it doesn't matter what tournaments you go to.  Over time, you are going to get TDs that are clueless, players that cheat, and arseholes!  There's no avoiding it!

KookieN

Most of the people I've played against were really nice to me, actually. I feel bad for everyone who's had rude opponents who purposefully try to distract you. :/

 

The worst opponent I ever played against was this guy who found my pace of play annoying. While he moved instantly after I moved, I'd think about my next move and make sure I wasn't making a blunder. While I'd think, he'd sign, groan, glare at me, tap as fingers against the table loudly, look around with an exasperated expression, ask me if I'd moved yet... etc. I wasn't moved though lol, I continued to take my time. And I won that game too, so, win win! grin.png ( Oh, and keep in mind it wasn't an obnoxious amount of time I was studying the board, just like 10 seconds or so)

MickinMD

Tell the arbiter about the kicking and tell him if he can't do anything about it, next tournament you're going to wear a pair of hockey goalee leggings and invite the press to cover your new protection required by an ineffective arbiter and TD.  They might like a hockey-meets-chess story.

DeepFlight12

The OP wrote:

How many of you would agree for a draw? None! It's obviously winning for white.

White is losing a piece and the game. Bad trolling once again.

BronsteinPawn
Jenium escribió:

#1: Ignore. You could also mock the player, after all you have a winning position. I remember one GM rejected Nakamura's draw offer (when Naka was a rebellious kid) with the words: "I'll let you know when it's a draw.")

You could also complain to the arbiter.

#2&3: Complain or kick back. Here is a nice video by IM Waitzkin explaining how to deal with this kind of opponent.

#4: You can hardly force people not to breathe.

#5: If those tricks are tricks on the board like traps it is their right to do so...

THERE IS NO VIDEO sad.png

Bramblyspam
DeepFlight12 wrote:

White is losing a piece and the game. Bad trolling once again.

I take it you didn't notice that white was up a piece to begin with.

DeepFlight12

Equal material after the loose Knight is captured. Black is better.

DeepFlight12

OP wrote:

The same tournament, another local player. I know I have to be aware of any suspicious things, because these guys are famous for their 'cheating skills'.

I already knew.. why I even arrived to play there?

Nothing wrong has happened, except one thing: that guy was kicking me under the table! Not all the time obviously, I felt it from time to time.

Pure garbage.

sammy_boi
DeepFlight12 wrote:

Equal material after the loose Knight is captured. Black is better.

It wasn't the best position to show as an example of white being better because it's sort of in the middle of the action, but for example white can play Nf3 and immediately win that center pawn with tempo and basically 100% of black's pieces are disorganized (both rooks off the back rank, the bishop has little scope, the d5 knight is pinned). White has the bishop pair and no weaknesses.

bbeltkyle89
DeepFlight12 wrote:

Equal material after the loose Knight is captured. Black is better.

really, even with the weak d pawn falling, a awkward rook on b7 and white with the bishop pair thats about to be opened up....yeah, i dont think so

vikingchucky

I played Ne4 there and Rxb7 doesn't work because of Nf6+, and I retain my extra piece. And if he plays anything else than Rxb7, then I simply move one of my knights to d6.

DeepFlight12

D pawn is not weak. Can be defended with Be5. White's 1st rank is not developed. At best White exchanges pawns. Black leads in developement. Point is an evaluation leads to draw, not obviously winning for White as OP has claimed.

sammy_boi
DeepFlight12 wrote:

D pawn is not weak. Can be defended with Be5. White's 1st rank is not developed. At best White exchanges pawns. Black leads in developement. Point is an evaluation leads to draw, not obviously winning for White as OP has claimed.

Nf3 attacks the pawn twice, and even if it didn't, Be5 loses the bishop.

Anyway, OP points out that he can save the wayward knight with Ne4... although that's two pieces for a rook so I'm not as sure.

bbeltkyle89
DeepFlight12 wrote:

D pawn is not weak. Can be defended with Be5. White's 1st rank is not developed. At best White exchanges pawns. Black leads in developement. Point is an evaluation leads to draw, not obviously winning for White as OP has claimed.

it can be defended once with Be5. its attached twice with Nb3 or Nf3. Seriously man its lost for black

Pulpofeira

Winning or not, if he doesn't want to agree the draw, period.

vikingchucky
ThrillerFan wrote:

So it doesn't matter what tournaments you go to.  Over time, you are going to get TDs that are clueless, players that cheat, and arseholes!  There's no avoiding it!

Thank you for that, ThrillerFan. That was the best answer here (and the most serious).

Yes, my bad, there's no 'refs', (there are TD's, I'll remember that!) that's because English isn't my first language.

4) Yes, he was older (but not that old, in his 50-ies I believe), maybe I overreacted. It wasn't a big deal.

bbeltkyle89
sammy_boi wrote:
DeepFlight12 wrote:

D pawn is not weak. Can be defended with Be5. White's 1st rank is not developed. At best White exchanges pawns. Black leads in developement. Point is an evaluation leads to draw, not obviously winning for White as OP has claimed.

Nf3 attacks the pawn twice, and even if it didn't, Be5 loses the bishop.

Anyway, OP points out that he can save the wayward knight with Ne4... although that's two pieces for a rook so I'm not as sure.

true, but the two bishops and extra rook go a long way, but yeah, there is many roads leading to rome here

DeepFlight12

Agree White has advantage, alot of chess to be played. The OP keeps shouting "cheaters". Only thing obvious is its a troll job. Seriously, he's going to sit at the table and allow someone to repeatedly kick him, then claim opponent was cheating? Lmao

Uncle_Bent
sammy_boi wrote:
Uncle_Bent wrote:

My least favorite of "purposely fouling" opponent is the player that hurriedly moves his piece to a square, but in his haste to press his clock, knocks over a piece on the board, THEN hits his clock and THEN resets the piece while MY clock is running.  In a recent game I was up a piece in an endgame vs a 10 year old opponent.  I had about 90 secs left, plus a 5-sec delay, so not that critical, except that my opponent was trying to blitz me (fine with that), but was knocking over pieces every other move, and then resetting on my time.

After repeated warnings, he moved his rook to a square, but knocked it over and sent the rook rolling as he went to hit the clock, then BEFORE he could pick up his rolling rook I just captured it with my bishop as it rolled across a square on the bishop's diagonal.  He squealed in protest that we both knew what square he meant to move the rook to.  I told him to go find a TD if he didn't like it while I stayed at the board and analyzed.  He resigned.

So for example rook from b1 to b3, then it was knocked over and rolled to b5, and you captured it Bxb5 as it lay on its side?

lol. That's pretty dirty. I'd definitely get the TD (the move is over after he lets go of it). Kind of mean to do that to a kid even if he was being a nuisance.

Oh, I agree, it is definitely not the correct way, but it was done after the 6th infraction and 4 warnings.  The proper way is for me to stop the clock, interrupt my train of thought during a time scramble, and go find a Tournament Director while my opponent gets to stay at the board and look for any tactical complications.  So, I figured, why shouldn't I make my opponent do all of this while I get to stay at the board?

If the game was played under FIDE rules, and with an arbiter present, he would have been automaticall forfeited for completing his move AFTER he had started my clock.  In fact, even promoting a pawn to the 8th and not replacing it with the desired piece (before hitting the clock) is cause for forfeiture in FIDE games.

Bramblyspam

Fun fact: an upside down rook is *not* officially recognized as a queen. There have been blitz games at the GM level where a player was forfeited for making an illegal move with an upside down rook, since "rooks don't move that way".