How to get better at calculation?

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KevinOSh
JaggaBoar wrote:

Calculation is one of those things where you can do it or you can't. It's not something you can really improve on.

You cannot improve calculation with practice?

dude0812

You can improve calculation with practice. Kasparov wasn't born as the best chess calculator in the world. He became that through practice and with the help of natural talent.

IMKeto
dude0812 wrote:

After Be7 Nf2 anything wins. You can play Bxd8 and win a piece, or you can play Kxf2 and win a piece.

How does 2.Kf2 win a piece after 2...Qe7.  White is down a pawn.

EinZweiDreiVierFunf
KevinOSh wrote: JaggaBoar wrote:

Calculation is one of those things where you can do it or you can't. It's not something you can really improve on.

You cannot improve calculation with practice?

Not really, if you do it'll be miniscule compared to where you'd be with just natural talent by itself.

dude0812

White won a bishop and a Knight. Black won a bishop. Therefore White won a bishop in that exchange.

IMKeto

This is the position i am referring to...

 

PerpetuallyPinned
KevinOSh wrote:

The position in post #11 is a strategic type of game. The positions where (what I am calling) calculation becomes more important is the sharper positions that don't have any theory behind them. For example

White to move. Do you capture the bishop or the knight? You have 2 minutes left on the clock.

idk about "sharp" here

If White is in this position (about 12 moves) with 2 minutes left and questions, there are definitely multiple issues.

Whether it was a Tartakower, a QID, or something else...the big issue is the handling of the fight over the center (likely both sides, but White suffers the most now).

First, slow your roll and take your time.

dude0812

You have to take the bishop if you want to win a piece in the exchanges. I didn't see that white is down a piece in the starting position. White will lose the f2 pawn. That's the least bad option.

dude0812

There are no issues. He plays the time control he likes. And he plays the way he likes to play.

dude0812

 

KevinOSh

It's a position that a friend of mine played earlier today.

2 minutes left on the clock, I added that for illustration.

For most players 2 minutes is a short amount of time to finish the game but if you are a bullet player it is a luxury.

PerpetuallyPinned
dude0812 wrote:

There are no issues. He plays the time control he likes. And he plays the way he likes to play.

You're right

If he likes playing a piece down, that's the line to take.

PerpetuallyPinned
KevinOSh wrote:

It's a position that a friend of mine played earlier today.

2 minutes left on the clock, I added that for illustration.

For most players 2 minutes is a short amount of time to finish the game but if you are a bullet player it is a luxury.

I don't care what time control...it's bad chess. If that's a luxury, I'd rather be poor.

KevinOSh
IMBacon wrote:
KevinOSh wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

Take a position like this.  White to move.  How would you evaluate the position?

 

I would look at the threats that each side has. Look at the imbalances. Try to come up with a plan. White has a space advantage and a castled King. Black's pieces are not well coordinated.

The d4 pawn is clearly the center of attention with two attackers and two defenders.

General chess principles would definitely be a consideration for me there. I would probably move the bishop on c1 out.

What threats are on the board?

What are the imbalances?

What makes the d-pawn so important?

What advantages does white have?

Where would you place the DSB?

 

This is the easily winning position for White that I ended up throwing away https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/daily/340127137 in this game I played the mistake b3 (to allow the dark squared bishop to come out without getting spanked with Qxb3).

White has many advantages: castled king, three pawns in the center, two developed knights etc

Despite the uncoordinated Black position: there are several threats to White:

  • Queen can capture Qxb2 not a problem with bishop on c1 but if that moves away then the Black Queen on b2 also attacks the knight on c3
  • Both Black Queen and Black bishop targeting d4 pawn, black could add a 3rd attacker with c5. If Black bishop is able to play Bxd4 and I have no pieces left to recapture then my knight on c3 could be in some trouble 
  • Possibility of kingside attack with ...Bg4 or a pawn storm

Better moves would have been:

  • c5 - although this did not first appear to be very good since ...dxc5 puts me in a tough position as I don't want to recapture dxc5 and don't want him to capture cxd4, maybe with more puzzle practice would have spotted the Na4 Queen attack. One advantage of playing c5 is it stops Black from playing c5
  • a3 - allowing b4
  • h3 - the move that Chernev described as a "coffee-house move" in Logical Chess, actually a good defense here
KevinOSh

How about this position? Black is to move.

What should Black play?

Do you derive this move via general principles, calculation or a combination of the two?

dude0812
KevinOSh wrote:

How about this position? Black is to move.

What should Black play?

Do you derive this move via general principles, calculation or a combination of the two?

I would be afraid to lose d6 pawn, so I would play Be5 defending the pawn and interfering with the connection between the queen and bishop. Be5 forces Bh4. I would say that white has a good position despite being down the exchange because of the h4 pawn (which is a protected passer), because the bishop on b5 is really strong. It controls e8, it stops the c4 pawn break, it blocks the b file which means that the rooks can't target the b3 pawn. The other bishop will control the e7 square when white plays Bh4. White controls both e7 and e8 which means that black can't put the rooks on that file. White owns the e file. Honestly, I would rather play white here, despite being down an exchange.

dude0812
KevinOSh wrote:

How about this position? Black is to move.

What should Black play?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you derive this move via general principles, calculation or a combination of the two?

 

This looks like a very complicated position though. So many options for both sides after only the first few initial moves which I thought could happen. I have no idea who's better or what's going on in the positions which I reached down below. However I think that black has to defend the d6 pawn first.

KevinOSh

I found a useful video by Dan Heisman that features calculation of an endgame position 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Bh6StWvvs&list=PLRWUHVsN-mIJNwc4cLdVmV4L1yk8vNMaM&index=1 

kartikeya_tiwari
KevinOSh wrote:

I found a useful video by Dan Heisman that features calculation of an endgame position 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Bh6StWvvs&list=PLRWUHVsN-mIJNwc4cLdVmV4L1yk8vNMaM&index=1 

There is no trick, just practice it. No shortcuts to any skills

llama47
KevinOSh wrote:

Chess is more than just pattern recognition. It's a thinking man's (or woman's) game.

Nah, it's mostly pattern recognition and how good your "working memory" is.