How to improve at "dull" games

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how i try to have a good end game

1.focus your studies on a certain opening move

2.u can read books about the endgame it really helped me outCool

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in the second game, i don't thing it turned boring you simply blundered your knight and rook. of course coming back from such a loss is impossible unless it is calculated. try and play for small advantages and avoid tactics and strategy based on one move threats and rather try and organize your army in such a way that the opponent has to lose.

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DreamTheater42 wrote:
Mediocrities wrote:

If your definition of dull is a game that is more closed, more positional, not full of tactical combinations/sacrifices then you're going to become more disappointed the better you get.

The higher you get in the rantings the more you will experience those "dull" games because your opponents will be strong enough to not leave you big tactical situations for you to gain an edge. You will have to work on small gains with positional play over many moves a lot of the time.

I used the term "dull" because it is the opposite of "sharp", the term normally used to describe the types of games I normally strive to play, as well as because many people do find positional games boring. I myself don't find them boring at all, just confusing at times. And I'd expect if I got better at positional chess, I'd be less confused and enjoy it more.

positional chess is not necessarily boring it gives you the chance to organize and regroup in the best way and to prepare pawn breaks which when effected may open the door to tactics which favor you.

in dynamic situations that is simply not possible.

typical example of a dynamic position is the following!

 

I found this position in Chess Informant 107. It comes from the Najdorf Sicilian. It is a highly dynamic position with black to move. White has sacrificed his knight for an open file and lead in development. White went on to win the game but there is a lot of analysis involved.

 

Depends on what you prefer. Houdini gives this position to be dead equal. Personally, I would have a tough time winning with white and would rather be black, defending but havin a slight material advantage.

Edit--there is a pawn on h7

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The more you know positionally the less you'll need to calculate.  Try looking at games from famous positional players like Capablanca and taking note of the imbalances, and why you think a certain move is best based off judgment with only the minimum necessary calculation. 

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netzach wrote:
The_Aggressive_Bee wrote:
Sunshiny wrote:

One way to improve on winning "dull" games would be to study endgames.

Agreed

Why?

Becuase if the game is 'dull' winning the endgame is not going to negate 'dullness' is it??

There are dull-games and they remain that win or lose.

The game does not all of a sudden become 'exciting' simply because you won it Aggressive.

When I started to understand the endgame better the rest of the game began to fall into place.  Granted I'm still a work in progress but I feel as though I'm improving on a more daily level.  

If you can enjoy the endgame, you begin to enjoy all positions and then how can anything be dull?

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In my experience "dull" is used to describe games that don't have obvious continuations. These are the games in which you need to force your opponent to make concessions and work for your tactics. That requires work in the middlegame and endgame rather than the opening. In fact if you play the opening badly and get a terrible position but don't blunder you might be able to get out of your bad position because the way to keep the advantage may not be apparent to your opponent. Tactical games may follow the " I go here then he goes there" process that can be more straight-forward to follow and those games tend to not be called dull.

At any rate learning more about the middlegame helps you to be able to play positions where there are no forcing moves better.

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I don't believe how persistent chess players are. Even in a drawn game, they move pieces back and forth. No wonder some chess players lose respect for their games.

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To improve in endgames, some study is necessary.

To improve in strategic games, you could start by asking your pieces how they feel about the current position - ie. do they have a job or are they unemployed ?

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i personally find games to be dull when there are symmetrical pawn structures. the only difference then seems to be tempo but it's hard to unbalance stuff. this is why i hate the exchange variation of the french.

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I find out that dull games are tests to chess players to find the right move in a very complicated setup.

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orangeishblue wrote:
DreamTheater42 wrote:

So, right now, I have a really aggressive playing style. I think I'm pretty good at tactics during games, but considering my tactics rating is only a little over 1000, that might not actually be true. Positionally, though, I think I'm pretty bad at during games, but I might be wrong about that as well. The following game is an example of my agressive playing.

 

As you can see, very agressive on my part. But when I have no opening for an attack, and the game becomes "dull", for lack of a better word, I really don't know what to do, and I end up making errors, such as the following game.

 

Even when I don't make blunders in "dull" games, I feel like I either can't do anything, and eventually my opponent attacks me and I lose, or we slowly exchange pieces and eventually reach the endgame, and then I lose in the endgame. So how can I improve at my "dull", positional play, and be able to make good positional moves that set me up for a good endgame and don't leave me open to attack?


I think there is a principal at work here: the lower rated one is, the higher the opinion of ones own skill.

Sorry but at 1200 you don't have a style and you aren't very good at tactics. As a lifer 1900 USCF I have preferences and not a style and there is still a lot of tactics I am unable to find no matter how long I look at the position. You my man have a very inflated opinion of your chess skill, I would reign it in with some realism.

I have a very inflated opinion of my chess skill? Based off of what? Seriously, wtf did I say that would make you think that? Was it that I said I think I'm good at tactics? I meant good in relation to the other aspects of the game, such as positional play (I suck at that), and endgame play (I'm even worse at that).

Seriously, I came on these forums looking for advice to improve at chess. The fact that I want to improve implies that I realize I need improvement. But instead of advice, all I get is some snobbish comment from an anonymous internet asshole.

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You didn't give tis guy a realistic assessment of his abilities. You basically told him, "You suck, see how low your rating is? Stop acting cocky and shut up." These forums could be a componenet of chess improvement for many players. unfortunately they seem to be dominated by weirdos who are more interested in having their egos stroked than the are in helping anybody.

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electricpawn wrote:

You didn't give tis guy a realistic assessment of his abilities. You basically told him, "You suck, see how low your rating is? Stop acting cocky and shut up." These forums could be a componenet of chess improvement for many players. unfortunately they seem to be dominated by weirdos who are more interested in having their egos stroked than the are in helping anybody.

While there are a lot of these 'players at your level...' posts which seem more about insulting/ego stroking than answering the question, there are a lot of helpful users here too.

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Scottrf wrote:
electricpawn wrote:

You didn't give tis guy a realistic assessment of his abilities. You basically told him, "You suck, see how low your rating is? Stop acting cocky and shut up." These forums could be a componenet of chess improvement for many players. unfortunately they seem to be dominated by weirdos who are more interested in having their egos stroked than the are in helping anybody.

While there are a lot of these 'players at your level...' posts which seem more about insulting/ego stroking than answering the question, there are a lot of helpful users here too.

Point taken.

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DreamTheater42 wrote:
So how can I improve at my "dull", positional play, and be able to make good positional moves that set me up for a good endgame and don't leave me open to attack?

1. Forget about "dull", "sharp", "positional", "tactical", "agressive", "passive" and "style" until you start being able to play consistently - eg. until you have some control over making blunders. Hence

2. before you make a move, make sure it won't hang material. And

3. don't expect your opponent to hang material and don't attribute that to your chess skills or to any of the aforementioned words.

Both games were decided by blundering. That has nothing to do with "style" or so, as long as blundering is not a style. What you need to do is improve your calculation. Once you do that, you may find out that some positions have a strategical solution, others - a tactical one, and it's not up to you to force some "style" upon the game but rather to understand what's going on and playing correctly.

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Some good information in the previous post, but right back to the demeaning tone. I'd like to thank Kostov for descending from the chess paradise where Topolov dwells so he could enlighten us!

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I have decided to play more dull games, since they are good to play.