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May 26, 2019
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#83
llamonade wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
llamonade wrote:
Anyway, this discussion isn't interesting or productive.
I hope you keep giving links to people in the future
"Anyway, this discussion isn't interesting or productive."
By cracky, you just summed up the forums.
And people wonder why I so frequently delete my accounts with the intention of staying away for at least a while
Youre preaching to the choir.
May 26, 2019
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#84
SuperiorWhiteGenes wrote:
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I recommend watching and studying ALL of his videos, [snip]
Absolutely not. If you watch this poser's videos as a beginner, most of what you learn will need to be unlearned in order to advance beyond 1400.
jahlone wrote:
You all have overloaded me lol. I think I'm more confused now lol.
Part of the problem is that a number of different issues are mixed together. For an individual issue, perhaps some clarity would come from a focus on comments for that issue. Example:
"... Jeremy Silman’s book 'Reassess your chess' ... It’s a pretty long read but it’s helped me reach 1400 with great ease!! ..." - spencerg2017 (~12 days ago)
"How to Reassess Your Chess, 4th Edition was designed for players in the 1400 to 2100 range." - IM Jeremy Silman (2010)
"... I don't think he'll like HTRYC. ..." - llamonade (~11 days ago)
"... Silman's HTRYC isn't bad and has its place but isn't for people who are relatively inexperieced. ..." - Savage47 (~11 days ago)
Still uncertain? Here are two online commentaries:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708095832/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review769.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626180930/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman06.pdf
and an actual sample from the book:
https://www.silmanjamespress.com/shop/chess/how-to-reassess-your-chess-4th-edition/
"Silman also have a easier book The Amateur's Mind. More for 1000-1700 players. It's recommended to read that one before HTRYC. ..." - 2Late4Work (~11 days ago)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708094419/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/ammind.pdf
https://www.silmanjamespress.com/shop/chess/amateurs-mind-the-2nd-edition/
Another example of a focus on comments for a specific issue:
"... Irving Chernev's Logical chess Move by Move … gives oversimplified reasons why some moves were played, especially in the opening where the reasons he gives are often far from anything the players might have been thinking ..." - SchaakVoorAlles (~2 days ago)
"... While this is a great book, there are some areas where it is showing its age (having first been issued nearly a half century ago). … I had a few quibbles not related to the age of the book as well. ... Regardless of these types of issues, this is a very good book. Perhaps it isn't as timeless as it once appeared to me, but it should prove useful to any aspiring player wanting to better understand how to develop logical plans, moves, and thought processes in chess." - Randy Bauer (2002)
"... in trying to write something about every move he gives shallow (and often incorrect) reasons why they were played. ... it gives a misconception about how strong players think, about effective chess preparation, and about the difficulties of the game. ..." - SchaakVoorAlles (~1 day ago)
"... The one thing you do NOT want to do in the early stages is to get into bad habits or develop misconceptions that will have to be removed and replaced later in your development." - SchaakVoorAlles (~1 day ago)
"... In many ways, it would a wonderful 'first' book (or first 'serious' book, after the ones which teach the rules and elementary mates, for example), and a nice gift for a young player just taking up chess. ... My only warning would be that the impressionable student should be gently reminded by a friend or mentor that most of the rules and principles Chernev so dogmatically states do not actually have any consistent validity in real-world chess, so that the book should be looked at as a way to get started thinking about positions, not as a reliable guideline to what chess is really about. With that proviso, I would recommend it heartily to anyone just starting to explore the game, and therefore, to scholastic chess teachers as well. …" - IM John Watson (1999)
http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/assorted-recent-books
One can see some more discussion of the pros and cons of Chernev's Logical Chess at:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132019/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman118.pdf
http://exeterchessclub.org.uk/content/logical-chernev
http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2013/01/logical-chess-book-review.html
http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2013/02/chernevs-errors.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708104437/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/logichess.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708091057/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review465.pdf
"... there are many much better books available. One such is Nunn's book based on the same idea. But Nunn does not shy away from telling the real reasons and thinking behind the moves, which is often that decades of experiment have revealed a sequence that works. ..." - SchaakVoorAlles (~1 day ago)
"... most players under 1400, unless they are especially ambitious, will probably find the Nunn book rather daunting. ..." - Taylor Kingston (2001)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708092945/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review269.pdf
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Understanding_Chess_Move_by_Move.pdf
"... If you want something slim and lightly annotated, yet correct and not at all misleading, then Stean's 'Simple Chess' has never been bettered. But it is an introduction to some important positional ideas and is best studied when a player has developed some tactical vision and is ready to move to the next level." - SchaakVoorAlles (~1 day ago)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708104258/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review400.pdf
http://store.doverpublications.com/0486424200.html
"... For a broad overview of what is possible on the chess board, and of the best chess from the early 1800s to the present day you cannot go wrong with 'The Mammoth Book of the World's Greatest Chess Games'. …" - SchaakVoorAlles (~2 days ago)
"... Don't get caught up too much in the variations. Play through the games on your own--ideally with the book set aside (they are all on chessgames.com), then read the prose commentary and some of the variations where you yourself had some ideas for moves not played in the game. ..." - Ziryab (~2 days ago)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708233403/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review782.pdf
Simple Attacking Plans by Fred Wilson (2012)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708090402/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review874.pdf
http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Simple-Attacking-Plans-77p3731.htm
The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played by Irving Chernev (1965)
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/most-instructive-games-of-chess-ever-played/
"I think a tactics book would be better [than HTRYC], like Heisman's 'Back to Basics' book. ..." - llamonade (~12 days ago)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708233537/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review585.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/book-review-back-to-basics-tactics
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5856bd64ff7c50433c3803db/t/5895fc0ca5790af7895297e4/1486224396755/btbtactics2excerpt.pdf
"... John Nunn's 'Learn Chess Tactics' is excellent ..." - SchaakVoorAlles (~2 days ago)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708233820/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review422.pdf
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Learn_Chess_Tactics.pdf
"Puzzle rush" - Kempseyy (~12 days ago)
"visit this thread if you are weak at tactics
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/creative-ways-to-improve-your-tactics " - 111deuri (~11 days ago)
"... Of course you should make tactics, like the Rush, or a book on tactics in Chessable. ..." - torrubirubi (~11 days ago)
Winning Chess by Irving Chernev and Fred Reinfeld (1948)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093415/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review919.pdf
"... I'd say ... Silman's endgame course ..." - Rehcsif_Ybbob (~1 day ago)
"... I'm convinced that Silman's [Complete Endgame Course] will take its place in history as one of the most popular endgame books ever. ... He writes in a clear and casual style, and time and again has shown the ability to reach those who feel intimidated by the lofty approach that a grandmaster will often take. ..." - IM John Watson (2007)
http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/theres-an-end-to-it-all
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708103149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review594.pdf
https://www.silmanjamespress.com/shop/chess/silmans-complete-endgame-course/
"... I recommend Averbakh's 'Chess Endings: Essential knowledge'. It is very slim, ..." - SchaakVoorAlles (~2 days ago)
"... Agree strongly with Averbakh's thin introduction. ..." - Ziryab (~2 days ago)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708101138/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review373.pdf
Chess Endgames for Kids by Karsten Müller (2015)
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/chess-endgames-for-kids/
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Chess_Endgames_for_Kids.pdf
"Read Amateur to IM or something like that. ..." - Aizen89 (~2 days ago)
"... A2IM is first and foremost an endgame primer. ..." - Viljay Raghaven (2012)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708110922/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review865.pdf
"... The target audience ... is players rated from 1800-2400. ..." - IM John Donaldson (2012)
http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Amateur-to-IM-78p3714.htm
http://3harpiesltd.info/dev-mp/excerpts/Amateur-to-IM.pdf
"... I recommend Capablanca, Chess Fundamentals to anyone who has not yet studied it." - Ziryab (~2 days ago)
"... 'Chess Fundamentals' ... does not deal so minutely as this book will with the things that beginners need to know. ..." - from Capablanca's A Primer of Chess
"... Capablanca’s work has historical interest and value, of course, and for that reason alone belongs in any chess lover’s library. But there are better instructional books on the market. Certainly the works of Seirawan, Silman, Pandolfini, Polgar, Alburt, etc. are more accessible, speak a more modern idiom, and utilize advances in chess teaching and general pedagogy, etc. ..." - David Kaufman (2007)
https://web.archive.org/web/20131010102057/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review564.pdf
"... I'd say Weapons of Chess by Pandolfinni ..." - Rehcsif_Ybbob (~1 day ago)
"The Magnus Trainer App is what helped me." - GM_NiftyStranger (~1 day ago)
A Guide to Chess Improvement by Dan Heisman (2010)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708105628/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review781.pdf
Studying Chess Made Easy by Andrew Soltis (2009)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708090448/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review750.pdf
Seirawan stuff:
http://seagaard.dk/review/eng/bo_beginner/ev_winning_chess.asp?KATID=BO&ID=BO-Beginner
http://www.nystar.com/tamarkin/review1.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen173.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/book-review-winning-chess-endings
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708092617/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review560.pdf
"... Play a game ... Now you go again through the game and begin to analyse it with more time. ... After this analysis you should make some notes about the opening phase. Check videos in YouTube about how to play this specific opening. ..." - torrubirubi (~11 days ago)
"... most of us, if we really, truly want to improve should be studying every aspect of the game EXCEPT openings ..." - SchaakVoorAlles (~2 days ago)
"... The game might be divided into three parts, i.e.:- 1. The opening. 2. The middle-game. 3. The end-game. There is one thing you must strive for, to be equally efficient in the three parts. Whether you are a strong or a weak player, you should try to be of equal strength in the three parts. ..." - Capablanca
"... You will learn enough about how to play the opening from studying games. You will know when you need to start studying the theory of some opening systems and choosing a repertoire. It is when you realize that you are consistently getting awful positions out of the opening and why, even if you go on to win the games with strong middlegame play. I really can't say when that will happen. You can get a long way without ever memorising any opening sequences with general principles, positional understanding and feeling, tactical vision, calculating skill and what you have learned from studying games. ..." - SchaakVoorAlles (~2 days ago)
Books like First Steps: 1 e4 e5 and First Steps: Queen's Gambit
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7790.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7652.pdf
are sources of games with explanations intended for those just starting to learn about an opening.
"... I feel that the main reasons to buy an opening book are to give a good overview of the opening, and to explain general plans and ideas. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... If the book contains illustrative games, it is worth playing these over first ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
Discovering Chess Openings by GM John Emms (2006)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627114655/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen91.pdf
Openings for Amateurs by Pete Tamburro (2014)
http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2014/05/review-of-pete-tamburros-openings-for.html
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/openings-for-amateurs/
https://www.mongoosepress.com/catalog/excerpts/openings_amateurs.pdf
May 27, 2019
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#92
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:
llamonade wrote:
And people wonder why I so frequently delete my accounts with the intention of staying away for at least a while
And I thought it was just cuz you'd gone on another bender!
That too, lol.
May 27, 2019
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#93
Looks like spongey is back at it again.
Me: I bet you wont post even more walls of text
Him: This llama bitch must not know who I am
why bother sending links?
Jun 9, 2019
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#95
SchaakVoorAlles wrote:
I do not think Chernev's Logical Chess Move by Move is a good choice for an intermediate player.
The games themselves are excellent and no-one can deny that Chernev did an immense service to chess, writing good books when the chess literature was very sparse compared to today. The trouble is that in trying to write something about every move he gives shallow (and often incorrect) reasons why they were played.
This is a bad thing to do in a book aimed at improvers because not only does it fail to explain the true reason for any particular move, but it gives a misconception about how strong players think, about effective chess preparation, and about the difficulties of the game.
Back in the day it was deservedly praised and popular, and of course it is still possible (with the right attitude) to learn a lot from it but nowadays there are many much better books available. One such is Nunn's book based on the same idea. But Nunn does not shy away from telling the real reasons and thinking behind the moves, which is often that decades of experiment have revealed a sequence that works.
If you want something slim and lightly annotated, yet correct and not at all misleading, then Stean's "Simple Chess" has never been bettered. But it is an introduction to some important positional ideas and is best studied when a player has developed some tactical vision and is ready to move to the next level.
I don't think it's the actual words that leave as much as an impact as the actual moves of the games. I played through the first 14 games and found the commentary worthwhile so far, and the ideas I learned in those games have actually helped me win a few games I probably would not have won, and also "taught" me how to play the Colle.
All in all, Chernev has helped me. I really don't see all this negative stuff you are talking about in his books. Sure, maybe some of the things he spoke about in the first couple of moves is incorrect, however, that a very small insignificant part of the book that it doesn't even matter if what he says on move 1 e4 is correct or not!
Where can I get some good chess books?
The openings are everything
"... The game might be divided into three parts, i.e.:- 1. The opening. 2. The middle-game. 3. The end-game. There is one thing you must strive for, to be equally efficient in the three parts. Whether you are a strong or a weak player, you should try to be of equal strength in the three parts. ..." - Capablanca
"... In many ways, [Logical Chess] would a wonderful 'first' book (or first 'serious' book, after the ones which teach the rules and elementary mates, for example), and a nice gift for a young player just taking up chess. ... My only warning would be that the impressionable student should be gently reminded by a friend or mentor that most of the rules and principles Chernev so dogmatically states do not actually have any consistent validity in real-world chess, so that the book should be looked at as a way to get started thinking about positions, not as a reliable guideline to what chess is really about. With that proviso, I would recommend it heartily to anyone just starting to explore the game, and therefore, to scholastic chess teachers as well. …" - IM John Watson (1999)
http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/assorted-recent-books
Anyway, this discussion isn't interesting or productive.
I hope you keep giving links to people in the future
"Anyway, this discussion isn't interesting or productive."
By cracky, you just summed up the forums.
And people wonder why I so frequently delete my accounts with the intention of staying away for at least a while