How valuable is a bishop?

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Avatar of dillydream

Could I please get some opinions on whether, in most cases, preventing an opponent's king from castling is worth the sacrifice of a bishop to accomplish it.  Thanks.

Avatar of goldendog

Generally speaking, since castling by hand takes 3 tempi, and 3 tempi are about a pawn, a bishop is too much to pay.

Avatar of bAdSPaSskY

In "most" cases, no.

Avatar of duskrevival

Generally it's a terrible idea, if you don't have a strong enough attack while the king is in the center, but if you are always "sacrificing a bishop just for the sake your opponent can't castle, it's not worth it. The value of castling should not be overestimated in some positions. After all, there is positions I don't need to castle and find my position superior. e.g In the King's gambit-Bishop's gambit, even the move (1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4) 3... Qh4+ is dubious to some, even if it prevents white from castling without any cost of material. 

Don't sacrifice a bishop just so your opponent cannot castle, the price is too high. besides, it's still fun pawn storming when even your opponent has castled Laughing

Avatar of dillydream

Thanks everyone for setting me straight.  That's definitely one thing I'm going to stop doing!  I also didn't know that a pawn was worth 3 tempi ... thanks for that info, Goldendog.

Avatar of gztgztgzt

No. Though the Cochrane Gambit (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nxf7?!) is somewhat playable. That is, masters have sometimes played it against masters and won. Topalov played it against Kramnik at Linares and drew (if you don't know who those people are, "top 5 player" played it against "one-time world champion" at "really really prestigious tournament").

Avatar of Cystem_Phailure

I'd say the Bishop sac is only worth it if you already have other pieces already positioned to move in immediately.  As white, I'd be glad to lose my f-pawn for a Bishop.  By the time I finish the manual castle, my King will still be protected behind two good pawns and my Rook will be targeting your Kingside down a semi-open f-file.

Avatar of gztgztgzt

And, in my latest tournament, a 1590 played Bxf2+?! against me rather early in the game when the situation did not warrant it. It was a rather easy win even though I made a slight miscalculation and had to give him his piece back. If I had made the right moves, he, in fact, would have been the one whose king was in trouble because of the bishop sac and queen foray!

Avatar of dillydream

Guys, I am thoroughly convinced ... I'll never do it again!  Thanks to all.

Avatar of oinquarki

From what I've read on chess.com, a bishop is worth more than a knight, but less than a knight.

Avatar of ker123
oinquarki wrote:

From what I've read on chess.com, a bishop is worth more than a knight, but less than a knight.


How is that possible?

Avatar of bolshevikhellraiser

it depends on whether the bishop is good or bad meaning if its being blocked in by its pawns or not. on an open board a bishop is worth half a point more than a knight

Avatar of WhitePawn
ker123 wrote:
oinquarki wrote:

From what I've read on chess.com, a bishop is worth more than a knight, but less than a knight.


How is that possible?


A bishop's worth is situational. Typically in closed positions, the knight will be worth more then the bishop, in open ones, the bishop will be worth more then the knight.

Avatar of bolshevikhellraiser

sacing a bishop is not worth unless you get positional compensation or material. i dont know what else to tell you. i wish i could elabrate but havent the energy.

Avatar of duskrevival
gzthompson wrote:

No. Though the Cochrane Gambit (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nxf7?!) is somewhat playable. That is, masters have sometimes played it against masters and won. Topalov played it against Kramnik at Linares and drew (if you don't know who those people are, "top 5 player" played it against "one-time world champion" at "really really prestigious tournament").


One of the reason I stopped playing the Petroff's Defence is because of that gambit...

Avatar of Frankdawg

It really depends on weather or not you have more attack to go with that. If you got like 3 more pieces developed than your opponent and you can get more attack in then ya, but if you are just barely up on development or down / even then no.