"1) It seems popular to dislike his manner of expressing himself.
2) It seems accepted to demean and/or disregard the positive aspects of him (or his persona)."
There's a third reason, some of us think we're just so clever we can't help us.
Also a fourth one, some people genuinely dislike his confrontational attitude.
I find myself a bit of all four.
The first chess game was a huge gift. Cheater, be happy with what you got, youre a lucky guy, alot of people would have killed to play one against chess .com Take the money and run, you should be satisfied, and asking for another game is just rude, you really dont understand the fact that it was a gift and that Erick did not have to start that game.
exactly. i would estimate that 80% of chess.com gets riled up by cheater_1. anybody think he might be a 10 year old kid having fun? Or a physcoligist testing a theory? honestly chess.com doesn't have that many adults acting like adults. I find cheater_1 very amusing and interesting.
As I said in another thread I find the whole thing rather Kaufman like.
Which is amusing.
I've played chess for 48 years, and learned more about positions from the dialogs on the first game than ever before in those 48 years. I don't remember many of you posters in this forum being around when we were sweating bullets for move after move with cheater_1 up a pawn. My analysis of that game was that he choked - it should have been a draw.
I was disappointed when I saw he resigned - the match and the learning was over. I joined the dream-team vote-chess game, thinking to see the same kind of intelligence and activity - and it is truly a disappointing ho-hum experience. Please just set up the game, with a minimum membership of say 200-300 on the chess.com side, and let us play. Overall, I have to say, the first match was a plus for my personal experience with chess.com, and my first reaction to noticing this forum tonight was one of joy at seeing a chance for a rematch.
I'm strongly against cheating at chess. But if both sides are allowed to use an outside help (computers, books ,GMs, ...) it is not cheating any more to use Rybka.
My point is this: if I do not want to play against cheater_1 in that vote chess game, but other people DO (check out the topic and see that alot of ppl actually do want to play cheater_1) WHY NOT TO ORGANIZE SUCH A GAME ???
I have pages and pages (honestly) of speeches I have written to post on this site. I GET PAID to write speeches. Honest I do. See, I write my long-winded, rambling, ranting and raving speeches at work when the boss is not around. Instead of doing my job, I write volumes of things that I'd like to post here. That's how much I like it here.
But come on, let's get back to CHESS. For God's sake, take the light off me and let's get back to what is really important here...CHESS!!! So many hate mongers here that would rather blather on about how evil I am and how I should be gone than play a game of chess. I'm DONE asking for another game. I still have hope that in the future there will be another game, but I can tell this site is just not quite ready yet.
As I said before, I am thoroughly BORED with real chess and find chess programs infinitely more interesting. Here's a quick tip to improve your game....and it's FREE: Download the GUI ARENA and load a bunch of free UCI chess engines and have tournaments. THey all have VASTLY different playing styles and MUCH can be learned by watching them play each other as well as by playing them yourself.
Get over yourselves, you haters.
Apocalypse NOW
Apocalypse NOW
Music's the clue, when I come your warned,
Apocolypse Now, when I'm done you're gone!
Haven't you ever heard of an emcee murderer?
This is the death penalty, and I'm serving a..
death wish, so come on step to this
hysterical idea for a lyrical professionist!
I'm totally amused and saddened at the same time. What the heck is going on? All this populace, asking to delete Cheaters account. What the %$#? Who are you guys to promote or instigate such initiative?
All this white jackets, which put themselves on a pedestal screaming out to the lumped and demanding “justice”.
Cheater has not cheated anybody here at chess.com you fools.
He proposed a game with some engines, the challenge was there, Erik accepted and end of history.
Now he – cheater - wants to go on with the challenge. So it’s up to Erik –again- to make a move. That’s it.
“Delete an account...”PlEAsE1 RElaX You infallibles.
(But then again we all have our opinions)
Apocalypse NOW
Music's the clue, when I come your warned,
Apocolypse Now, when I'm done you're gone!
Haven't you ever heard of an emcee murderer?
This is the death penalty, and I'm serving a..
death wish, so come on step to this
hysterical idea for a lyrical professionist!
Love, love, love.
Love, love, love.
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There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game.
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No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you in time.
It's easy.
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Nothing you can know that isn't known.
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Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
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Oh yeah!
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Performed by the Beatles in the Summer of 67. It was filmed LIVE at EMI studios in London for the television program called "Our World", which was also the first live satellite event viewed by a world audience. The Beatles performed this song in one take without any foul-ups. The reason you ask.
Because they are the Beatles!!
Cheater_1 - can you please repropose the continuation of the match with the same tone as your last message?
If you did that the first time instead of lapsing back into your earlier cheater_1 persona than I think you may have had more support. You keep falling back into your first act while trying to convince us with this second one.
Here is an idea for this proposal. State your aim for the match - remove your ego from it. Appeal to the nature of the site, "play.learn.share"... what do you plan to get from the match, what are you proposing the site has to gain from the match. What is unique about your offer? Why have the match against you at all?
The benefits that chess.com has from playing you are no different than if Erik set up a vote game against one chess engine. and when that game was finished set up a match against another. continue on and on and on and see how the community does.
If Erik did that, what exactly are you offering?
Supporters of cheater_1 should really think about this before knocking other peoples "loathing" of cheater_1. That is the ONLY thing that cheater_1 currently has to offer. A chance to play against someone you despise.
From what I can gather, the first game was played to shut up someone that was making silly claims and also to test them. That game happened, the result stands. Why should anyone care anymore. Cheater_1 is no longer the person his silly stories built him up to be. Now he is just... well no one.
Erik should set up vote matches against programs. After this is done cheater_1 should submit his program to be one of the ones considered. If he is not planning to ever sell it, giving chess.com a copy loses him nothing. Why does he need to be the one running the program?
Very little cheater_1 says makes any sense. But then again he does have a MINOR in pyschology so maybe its all just too technical for me and I'm being manipulated.
cheater_1 is right. Playing against a variety of engines can be instructive - if you are interested in how computers can be programmed to play chess (I'm not, as it goes, but that's my loss).
Unfortunately, his offer is unattractive even on these grounds, as he seems to be unwilling to share any of his code or detailed analysis, and his programme isn't especially strong.
More importantly, I'm against indulging cheater_1 any further as I find the internet is already overflowing with rants, flaming, misanthropy and trash talk.
(And sad middle aged men who think Darth Vader and Hannibal Lecter are pretty cool)
I don't want to promote any more of that.
Just as I thought. JUST AS I THOUGHT. Team chess.com eeked out a "win". Then THEY use an old ploy of MINE and refuse to ever play again. RETIRE AS THE CHAMP after one stinking game. I cant get angry at that, as I have done that many many times. However, Whether you goofs admit it or not, you have sunk to my level. You have PROVEN that you are no better than me and are content to escape by the skin of your teeth.
So many misguided fools here. One minute you all DESPISE using a program to AUGMENT your game, then when ERIK allows it to be used in a game vs. me, you all somehow MAGICALLY open up your closet and whip out the latest version of RYBKA (hypocrites), and then after you play a game and get your way, you do a 180 and go back to despising programs. Was the EDUCATIONAL value of the last vote chess game lost on all of you?
TO RAEL and all his ilk: if you hate me and what I do so much, how come you are always following me wherever I go? DONT VOTE if you hate the game. DONT post in my forum if you hate what I say. Stop doing your stupid little photoshop bits if you hate what I say. STOP IT! Go away.
Now, I can understand how you all might not possess the LOVE OF CHESS that I do. No one on this site loves the great game of chess more than I do. So I can understand that a 7 game match series might tax your brains too much. Best of 5? Best of 3? More likely a best of 1.
I propose that AT THE VERY LEAST, chess.com have a VOTE to see if there will be more vote chess games. There were hundreds of votes per move in our game, I say open it up to the members to cast their vote to see if they even want to play another game with me. I will ACCEPT whatever the vote is.
But one thing is for sure, I AINT GOING ANYWHERE unless the DICTATOR makes me mysteriously disappear.
!?
"Now, I can understand how you all might not possess the LOVE OF CHESS that I do. No one on this site loves the great game of chess more than I do."
Yet another example of the great flip flopper. If I find the time I will post the quote that counters this point. Something along the lines of - I'm bored with chess, its just a game, I'm far more interested in programs etc etc etc. Its fun to watch you flip flop. Although it is a bit sad... kind of reminds me of a fish out of water in a boat slowly dying as its body twitches jumping around. So sad. Some legacy.
I think we should NOT ban him and we also should NOT have another Vote Chess game with him, and I think that should be the standing policy.
I don't see why rewarding him with exactly what he wants is a sensible approach to dealing with conduct like his. Would Erik & co. give me everything I wanted if I started acting out? If so, I'll be a huge jerk for a Chess Mentor subscription.