I commonly deal with scandinavian as white. Is there anyway to combat this?

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GM_MysteriousEgg

GM_MysteriousEgg

I forgot to say, i often lose when playing against Scandinavian.

JoKinnell

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/scandi-trap

tygxc

Like this
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1834482 

JohnNapierSanDiego

I'm surprised people still play the scandinavian as black.  It's not a good opening.

 

Take the pawn.

The queen will come out and recapture on D5

attack the queen by developing your knight to C3

 

take it from there

Steven-ODonoghue
JohnNapierSanDiego wrote:

It's not a good opening.

Yes, it is.

llama36
GM_MysteriousEgg wrote:

I forgot to say, i often lose when playing against Scandinavian.

In your last 100 games you've had this as white 6 times and you only lost once.

And you only lost because twice you moved a piece onto a square where you opponent could capture it for free.

 

AtaChess68
Caruana and Carlsen are doing it all wrong in that game tygxc showed.

White wants a king side attack (instead of Caruana’s queen side play). And Magnus should have played …Qa5 instead of …Qd6 of course.

Regards,
Team Scandi
newbie4711

2.d4! of course.

tygxc

#8
Well here is a game with 3...Qa5
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=2072900 
#9
Of course not 2 d4?

Ilampozhil25
JohnNapierSanDiego wrote:

I'm surprised people still play the scandinavian as black.  It's not a good opening.

 

Take the pawn.

The queen will come out and recapture on D5

attack the queen by developing your knight to C3

 

take it from there

yes black will literally pass a move when their queen is attacked, every opening is dumb if played badly

SacrificeTheHorse

Black has not lost a tempo simply because his queen has been attacked. White spent that tempo playing exd5 and now white has 1 piece developed and so does black. 

pfren
AtaChess68 wrote:
Caruana and Carlsen are doing it all wrong in that game tygxc showed.

White wants a king side attack (instead of Caruana’s queen side play). And Magnus should have played …Qa5 instead of …Qd6 of course.

Regards,
Team Scandi

 

Well... either Carlsen and Caruana don't know what they are doing, or you.

Boy, this is a very tough choice... isn't it?

tygxc

#12
Black must lose a tempo to move the queen again, usually ...c6 and ...Qc7.
That is not bad: black can afford to lose a tempo.

JohnNapierSanDiego
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
JohnNapierSanDiego wrote:

It's not a good opening.

Yes, it is.

No, it's not.

tygxc

#15
Yes it is. Example:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1768345 

dfgh123

Maybe it's no good but I fianchetto the kingside bishop, Nge2 0-0

play d3 instead of d4

Play Rb1 and try to play b4 and b5 

 

marqumax
JohnNapierSanDiego wrote:

I'm surprised people still play the scandinavian as black.  It's not a good opening.

 

Take the pawn.

The queen will come out and recapture on D5

attack the queen by developing your knight to C3

 

take it from there

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CraigIreland

From my experience, it's something people play at sub 1000 Elo, because it works. To progress you need to learn how to deal with it and then fewer and fewer opponents will try it, because it doesn't work anymore. What I did was to use moves which chase the queen as an opportunity to develop pieces, while being mindful of attacks on pawns. Pay special attention to the knight's pawns, because they become weak after the bishops are developed and this is often the way into the back line which the opponent is looking for to kick off a marauding attack. Also look to fork your opponent's king and rook with your knight. That's usually enough to put the queen back in her box, if she can get there. The opening is still viable at higher rating, but to a much lesser extent once players are able to guard against all the sucker punches an early queen can deliver. Learning to defend against these at your current rating, will develop valuable skills which you'll need in more complex situations. You might be pleased to hear that at my current rating, when I see black try to play this opening the queen usually goes straight back to her starting square on her second move, which puts black an extra move behind right from the start.

Ziryab
NervesofButter wrote:
GM_MysteriousEgg wrote:

I forgot to say, i often lose when playing against Scandinavian.

You're a 600 rapid player.  Openings are not deciding your games. 

Just follow opening principles.  Double check your moves, and slow down.

 

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