I think most human beings can attain 1800 at least, even with a 90 iq.
i did a IQ test and got a low number, so i am useless for chess
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darkunorthodox88 wrote:
DerekDHarvey wrote:
@llama47 no it is not a silly topic at all. Chess allows us the quantify certain mental abilities. At our club we had a severely autistic member. He would arrive at 8pm precisely and set up a board with himself as Black and go home again at 9pm precisely if nothing happened. If you sat down and played the first White move he would respond with a game. He was in the bottom quarter of the club in ability but was not suitable for matches of
That's interesting. What was his rating?
rapid: 1000
puzzle: 2040+ max (chess.com not syncing it idk why)
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nklristic menulis:
Daimon_brothers wrote:
Let's be honest here. It is waste time to improve chess for low to average people like us. Not only improvement Will be little,but also Will stress us out. The answer is yes. Our chess play skill and rating won't go far.
Having hobbies is not a waste of time. If we are all to look something where we will the best in the world, we could wait for a long time indeed.
It all comes down to what do you want from a hobby.
@chessplayer1292
First of all, if it is an online test, it can be pretty unreliable. Second, you do not have to be a 200 IQ PHD to be great at chess. Some of them might be a lot worse than you if they don't put in any effort. Now I am not saying that everyone can be very good at chess, but a lot of the people (if they wish to apply themselves) can get to a decent level of chess through sheer effort.
But as I've said, you need to know what do you wish from chess.
1. You want to improve? Well, you should keep speed chess to a minimum and play some longer games in order to do so. Playing 3 minute chess or even slightly longer games are not the greatest way to improve. You are not really playing the precise game. You play a superficial, tricky game of chess only. Even if you are pretty talented, it will not be easy to improve that way.
2. You like speed chess and it makes you happy? Then just play it casually and don't worry yourself with improvement.
3. If playing chess is making you feel bad or something to that effect, well you shouldn't waste your time on something that you actually don't like doing. Or if it is not a permanent thing, perhaps taking a break is what you need.
In any case, it is up to you to decide what do you wish to do.
Will all due respect,have you ever even see person from 100 rating creeped to 1500 ???
Beside like i said,it is waste time to improve since my progress won't go too far because i can be beaten by people more clever than me. But it is not waste time of you play simply for fun...
chessplayer1292 wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
DerekDHarvey wrote:
@llama47 no it is not a silly topic at all. Chess allows us the quantify certain mental abilities. At our club we had a severely autistic member. He would arrive at 8pm precisely and set up a board with himself as Black and go home again at 9pm precisely if nothing happened. If you sat down and played the first White move he would respond with a game. He was in the bottom quarter of the club in ability but was not suitable for matches of
That's interesting. What was his rating?
rapid: 1000
puzzle: 2040+ max (chess.com not syncing it idk why)
the above is my rating
Jul 31, 2021
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Koridai wrote:
IQ is useless
You think IQ tests are good for measuring academic achievement.
MYTH
This is a myth. IQ tests are actually made for academic achievements and it is true that iq tests are correlated with academic achievement. HOWEVER There are people with 90 iq who finish university, so it doesn't predict the outcome. This means IQ tests fail at what they are made for: academic achievement.
So you think IQ tests are a way to measure intelligence
MYTH
This is a myth, if you practice allot of iq tests, you can improve your IQ score hugely. However the scientist say that if you practice it allot, it doesn't correlate with academic achievement anymore, so let alone intelligence.
So you think IQ tests are a way to measure intelligence for people who never did an IQ test
MYTH
If person A does his first IQ test and gets a score of 150, that is a big score for IQ test. But person B initially got a score of 90 but after allot of practicing got 150. Person B understands now the IQ test equally to person A. But this doesn't mean A is more intelligent than person B. It just means person A had the right tricks to understand the IQ test enough to get the 150 score, but now person B has the same tricks.
So you think IQ tests are a way to predict your chess skill/knowledge
MYTH
In chess there is a limit in how much you can learn, grandmasters know the most and people who have 0 rating know the least. To get better you just need to know the stuff grandmasters know. After all, you can learn anything with enough repetition.
This is just plain not true. There is a lot of knowledge involved in becoming a grandmaster yes, but a lot of it is a very powerful intuition (which is strongly related to talent) and superb calculation ability. The latter two are not just practice.
even the USSR which mass produced top masters and on paper being all about nurture over nature, selectively chose which talented youth to become top players, so their rigorous first principles style teaching programmes made many stars.
chessplayer1292 wrote:
i try all the time, but i dont think i am improving
This has other reasons. I will advice you to watch the chessbrah series:
Jul 31, 2021
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#28
the IQ question is also sloppy, if you do a modern day psychometric test of your intelligence, IQ is only broad aspect of your test results, they will be subsections, specifying where you are above, below/above and by how much etc.
a person with an average IQ but very superior spatial visualization (like being able to rotate objects flawlessly in your head) may very well do better than dude with an above average iq.
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#29
DerekDHarvey skrev:
In the 80s the chess champion of MENSA has a BCF grade of 157 - do good chess players not bother to join MENSA or is it that chess requires cunning, imagination and lots more rather than just 'intelligence'?
This might be a bit prejudice from my side but there seem to be negative correlation between people who are members of MENSA and continue to be (unlike people who do the official test, become members and after couple of meetings just drop out) and people who have no other intellectual achivements. Probably because you have a more precise circle of peers who are interested in chess or physics instead of generic "good at puzzles people who work at your library".
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
the IQ question is also sloppy, if you do a modern day psychometric test of your intelligence, IQ is only broad aspect of your test results, they will be subsections, specifying where you are above, below/above and by how much etc.
a person with an average IQ but very superior spatial visualization (like being able to rotate objects flawlessly in your head) may very well do better than dude with an above average iq.
thanks sir
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
Koridai wrote:
IQ is useless
You think IQ tests are good for measuring academic achievement.
MYTH
This is a myth. IQ tests are actually made for academic achievements and it is true that iq tests are correlated with academic achievement. HOWEVER There are people with 90 iq who finish university, so it doesn't predict the outcome. This means IQ tests fail at what they are made for: academic achievement.
So you think IQ tests are a way to measure intelligence
MYTH
This is a myth, if you practice allot of iq tests, you can improve your IQ score hugely. However the scientist say that if you practice it allot, it doesn't correlate with academic achievement anymore, so let alone intelligence.
So you think IQ tests are a way to measure intelligence for people who never did an IQ test
MYTH
If person A does his first IQ test and gets a score of 150, that is a big score for IQ test. But person B initially got a score of 90 but after allot of practicing got 150. Person B understands now the IQ test equally to person A. But this doesn't mean A is more intelligent than person B. It just means person A had the right tricks to understand the IQ test enough to get the 150 score, but now person B has the same tricks.
So you think IQ tests are a way to predict your chess skill/knowledge
MYTH
In chess there is a limit in how much you can learn, grandmasters know the most and people who have 0 rating know the least. To get better you just need to know the stuff grandmasters know. After all, you can learn anything with enough repetition.
This is just plain not true. There is a lot of knowledge involved in becoming a grandmaster yes, but a lot of it is a very powerful intuition (which is strongly related to talent) and superb calculation ability. The latter two are not just practice.
even the USSR which mass produced top masters and on paper being all about nurture over nature, selectively chose which talented youth to become top players, so their rigorous first principles style teaching programmes made many stars.
"selectively chose which talented youth" I think this has to do with the motivation of the children, not with the "nature" of the children, selection is good to filter out the children who don't want to invest the time. Some children just wants to give more time to chess than other children. Some have more bigger emotions to chess, so they gain skills quicker because of this. I believe that "nature" can't be filtered with a selection procedure. The selection procedure does filter out the unmotivated children though, which is good.
Also calculation and intuition can be trained.
so at the end if i have low IQ will i be able to improve in my chess?
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#33
Daimon_brothers skrev:
Let's be honest here. It is waste time to improve chess for low to average people like us. Not only improvement Will be little,but also Will stress us out. The answer is yes. Our chess play skill and rating won't go far.
Sorry, but isn't that completely contradictory to how most of human activities are? As newbie you have largest gain in the first years of any hobby without any signinficant investment of time and effort and only after that phase you start to get less from investing more. The classical 80/20 pareto principle.
Jul 31, 2021
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#34
chessplayer1292 wrote:
low IQ = low intelligence = bad chess
what do you think, shall i stop playing chess?
no, the opposite! keep playing! The more you play, the more you learn, and chess is a very good way to be more intelligent! for example when u move a knight somewhere you can predict what you are going to do next or what your opponent will do next which at the same time will make u smarter
Jul 31, 2021
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#35
Sometimes IQ can be measured in knowing which threads to just walk away from…see ya later…
thankyou, hopefully chess wll raise my IQ, and IQ will raise my chess performance
any other ways to increase my IQ
Jul 31, 2021
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chessplayer1292 wrote:
thankyou, hopefully chess wll raise my IQ, and IQ will raise my chess performance
How will doing the IQ test over and over and then getting a high score improve your chess performance lol?
@llama47 no it is not a silly topic at all. Chess allows us the quantify certain mental abilities. At our club we had a severely autistic member. He would arrive at 8pm precisely and set up a board with himself as Black and go home again at 9pm precisely if nothing happened. If you sat down and played the first White move he would respond with a game. He was in the bottom quarter of the club in ability but was not suitable for matches of
That's interesting. What was his rating?