Touch move is "you made your decision, live with it". It probably derives from a more sophisticated version of the rule "no takeses backses".
I Don't See the Point of the Touch-Move Rule
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Jul 27, 2014
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#123
iberville wrote:
What woukd you thing if 5 minutes after your opponent (friend ?) played, when your ready to reply ... he takes back is last move !
hahahahaaa that sounds like HIS level.
Jul 27, 2014
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#125
RonaldJosephCote wrote:
Why are fire engines RED??
Is this one of them there Mensa test questions? (Never mind that they're not all red; OK, most are so I'll give you that one.)
The fire engine makers always have a surplus of red paint?
They're really supposed to be white, but someone keeps spilling huge amounts of Heinz ketchup into the paint vats?
Did I pass? Please tell me I'm not one of them there dumb ones...
aww-rats wrote:
If no touch move rule, you would distract your opponent easily. Say you pick up your Bishop, then notice your opponent will win elsewhere on the board. So, you let go of the bishop, and grab the Knight he is threatening, then see moving it loses too. You keep at this until you find the piece you can safely move. You have just succeeded in annoying your opponent and have broken his concentration. Therein lies the key. This is why tournament halls are silent. The touch move rule is just one of many rules meant to allow full concentration during a game.
true.
You did pass. Your not dumb. Fact is, I don't know why most fire trucks are red. I've seen a few yellow. Most ambulances are white, and there's a law that says school buses have to be yellow. Why?, I have NO idea. I used that fire truck example because the OP reminds me of a 5 yr old. 150 post, one of which is the official USCF explanation about the enforcement of touch-rule, and he says, Yeah but, I STILL don't understand. He either just wants to argue, or he's just not mature enough for chess.
The rule I was taught was you could even move a piece to a legal square but if you let go of the piece completely you must leave it there. Cheers!
Jul 27, 2014
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#129
MonsterRespawn skrev:
I still didn't get a good answer. Many people talked about how picking up or moving a piece and taking it back is unacceptable, but I still don't see why it is wrong to just touch it WITHOUT PICKING IT UP OR MOVING IT. There's no way the player can put the piece on another square if he/she doesn't pick it up or move it. Just touching a piece shouldn't be so annoying either, if he/she doesn't pick it up or move it, as I said.
Looks like my question pissed a lot of stupid people off for some reason.
otherwise if you touch a piece WITHOUT PICKING IT UP OR MOVING IT you may change your mind if the opponent smiles. Do you think it would be ok to sit and touch a piece for 3 minutes and after that move something else?
Even WITHOUT PICKING IT UP OR MOVING IT would really be distracting if an opponent touches 1-3 pieces every move.
also the referee isn't at the table so you could say I didn't move it I just touched the piece. It would be word against word.
also a benefit of the rule is that in fast games 5 minutes or less people will still have to think before touching a piece.
I have seen games against some players it is a nightmare to watch - pieces they capture literally fly of the board, pieces fall over, they play really fast.
if you add that they are allow to change their mind it would be impossible to be a referee.
Scottrf wrote:
I think it's so you can't see your opponents reaction.
Probably. It's like no string betting in poker. People want to string bet, to gauge their opponents subtle reactions so they'll know whether to raise or not.
Jul 27, 2014
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#131
Touch-move does mean you can move the piece you touched to any legal square, even if you change your mind in mid-air. If you plan to play Ra1-a5, but drop it accidentally on a4, technically, that's your move. This sort of "mouse slip" happens quite often on the internet, but it does also happen occasionally in real life too.
Once you touch an opponent's piece with the intention of taking it, you must take it. (Reaching for the e-pawn and knocking over your king is not considered touching it according to the rules. Intent must be there.)
If you try to castle, remember it's a King's move. No arbiter will penalize an amateur for touching the rook first once in a tournament. But try that stunt twice, and you may be forced to move the rook.
Yeah, chess has some pretty strict rules. But if you don't like those rules, you can always play other games.
The rule I was taught was you could even move a piece to a legal square but if you let go of the piece completly you must leave it there. Cheers!
generalchesspr wrote:
The rule I was taught was you could even move a piece to a legal square but if you let go of the piece completly you must leave it there. Cheers!
I've read the rules, and that's true. "If you quit your man, it must remain there."
generalchesspr wrote:
The rule I was taught was you could even move a piece to a legal square but if you let go of the piece completly you must leave it there. Cheers!
Unless you're Kasparov.
SmyslovFan wrote:
If you try to castle, remember it's a King's move. No arbiter will penalize an amateur for touching the rook first once in a tournament. But try that stunt twice, and you may be forced to move the rook.
USCF rules allow you to touch the rook 1st to castle. FIDE requires you to touch the king first. Of course, most open sections are FIDE rated and follow FIDE rules, but that's not the US rule.
Jul 27, 2014
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#136
For those who have no clue what SilentKnighte is referring to, Kasparov, in a blitz game against Judit Polgar, once let go of a piece on a square that blundered the game. He instantly grabbed it and made a better move with it. The incident was caught on camera and is available on youtube. You have to watch it in slow motion to see that he definitely let go of the piece. He ended up winning the game. I don't think Polgar ever forgave him.
And, apparently, neither have some people on this site.
Jul 27, 2014
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#137
SilentKnighte5 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
If you try to castle, remember it's a King's move. No arbiter will penalize an amateur for touching the rook first once in a tournament. But try that stunt twice, and you may be forced to move the rook.
USCF rules allow you to touch the rook 1st to castle. FIDE requires you to touch the king first. Of course, most open sections are FIDE rated and follow FIDE rules, but that's not the US rule.
USCF rules state that castling is a King's move. But it also states that there is no penalty to moving the rook first except when castling is illegal (10I2). Basically, USCF has a bit of an amateur's eye to the rule while FIDE caters to chess professionals.
Not sure if it has been mentioned, but the idea is that you are not supposed to move the pieces around when thinking, for obvious reasons. So instead of a "move-move" rule that is hard to enforce (how much moving is moving?) it is "touch-move" (or touch-take for the opponent's pieces).
SilentKnighte5 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
If you try to castle, remember it's a King's move. No arbiter will penalize an amateur for touching the rook first once in a tournament. But try that stunt twice, and you may be forced to move the rook.
USCF rules allow you to touch the rook 1st to castle. FIDE requires you to touch the king first. Of course, most open sections are FIDE rated and follow FIDE rules, but that's not the US rule.
Wow, I did not know that. It makes sense, though; it seems USCF rules are less strict and more kid-friendly than FIDE. I personally don't like it, but I guess they reason that chess isn't exactly football in Amerca, so they have to bring people in and keep them however they can.
Monster Respawn; you didn't piss anybody off, but your right, there's a LOT of stupid people in the forums. There's a LOT of stupid people on the site. There's a LOT of stupid people on the planet. You'll just have to deal with them, I mean, what's the difference? Why are fire engines RED??