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OceanHost

Hello friends! Today I reached 1604... I'm very happy about it that I just came in 1600 line.. (I was dreaming about it from a month..., it may be not a good rating for you but it is good for me at present).. But.. whenever I win, I feel it like I won because of my opponent's mistakes and not because I play good.. What usually occurs with me is.. I feel like I'll definitely loose,.. my opponent makes a blunder and I win.. :-P I don't want to win that way.. :( Do you feel same or its just me? I tried improving my game with lessons and by watching top games but I still don't feel confident. And.. do you think that it is worth reading books on chess for a player like me..(rated 1550 to 1600)? if yes, it would be great if you could tell some sources or books.. Sorry for not an interesting post.., I just wanted to share it and know your opinion. I wish you all have a nice day! Thanks..


Update (May 30, 2016): I am 1700+ now, my highest is 1730 (May 9, 2016), my best win is 1849, and i still feel the same most of the time. (not always) 
I think things will change after i get to 1800 :)

interesting, yeah! ;)

baddogno

I remember one of the Polgar sisters writing about how difficult it was for her to make initial progress past the 1800s.  Up to that point opponents would always make a blunder of some sort that she could take advantage of.  Suddenly the whole game changed when she had to outplan her opponents.  So no, your experience is not unique, and taking advantage of your opponent's errors is the way most chess games are won until you're within shouting distance of expert.

I'll get you Coach Heisman's book list, but IMHO the Chess Mentor is a more efficient way to learn, and you've barely touched it.  Just sayin...

http://www.danheisman.com/Events_Books/General_Book_Guide.htm

johnys2013

If both players played perfectly and used the best moves, made no mistakes, it would be the perfect draw. It is impossible to win if your opponent makes no wrong moves. That means that every game is depended on mistakes and not-perfect moves of either player, so I guess that you will have to bare the fact that chess is a game you dont like to win Tongue Out

Sqod

(p. 1)
      The Game of Mistakes

Chess is a game of bad moves. It is, in fact, the game that most
depends on error. No game has a greater variety of ways of going
wrong or gives you as many opportunities--dozens on every move.
Other games depend heavily on chance or on the mastery of
some relatively limited skills. But a chess game is decided by the
failings of one of the players.
   Yet we refuse to recognize this. We like to think the game is
a battle between good moves and better moves. When we win,
we tell ourselves--and anyone who will listen--that the critical
difference was our fine maneuvering, our positional cunning, or
our tactical ingenuity. When we lose, well, it was a stupid mis-
take--as if errors were an aberration, an extraordinary accident.
Mistakes can only be messy, ugly, and disruptive, we say.
   Regardless of our own success, we like to think a chess game
should be won, not lost. (We thereby ignore that most vital skill,
the ability to exploit enemy mistakes.) We try to elevate the
game to some level it can never achieve--at least not while it's
being played by humans.
   The masters know better. They know that a well-played game
is not an error-free game. There are errors of varying magnitudes,
and each game is sure to hold some small mistakes. "Chess is the
struggle against error," said Johannes Zukertort, one of the great-
est players of the last century. Victory belongs to the player who
struggles best--not just against an opponent, but against himself.

Soltis, Andrew. 1979. Catalog of Chess Mistakes. New York: David McKay Company, Inc.

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(p. 103)
Anand is an example of a player who is known for making adequate moves
at a steady speed rather than aiming for perfection. This is a more practical
approach, for more games are lost through mistakes than are won by
brilliancies, and if you want to get the best results you can, you would do
well to follow his example.

Webb, Simon. 2005. Chess for Tigers. London: Batsford.

wizonu
Congrats on achieving a 1600! Plenty of players will never get to that level. You have reached that level because you have put yourself in positions to both recognize and capitalize on your opponent's mistakes. As I understand it, chess is as much about knowledge of the game as it is about confidence and mental toughness. Don't sell yourself short...

Moving forward from here involves learning more about positional, tactical and strategic play. Bobby Fischer was a natural born player with amazing mental skills. He also had that undefined drive for perfection. He also never stopped reading, learning and studying chess.

Best of luck to you!

OceanHost

Thanks to all of you for your time.. You people are great!

Kamukatmukatmo
chamaria17e wrote:

Hello friends! Today I reached 1604... I'm very happy about it that I just came in 1600 line.. (I was dreaming about it from a month..., it may be not a good rating for you but it is good for me at present).. But.. whenever I win, I feel it like I won because of my opponent's mistakes and not because I play good.. What usually occurs with me is.. I feel like I'll definitely loose,.. my opponent makes a blunder and I win.. :-P I don't want to win that way.. :( Do you feel same or its just me? I tried improving my game with lessons and by watching top games but I still don't feel confident. And.. do you think that it is worth reading books on chess for a player like me..(rated 1550 to 1600)? if yes, it would be great if you could tell some sources or books.. Sorry for not an interesting post.., I just wanted to share it and know your opinion. I wish you all have a nice day! Thanks..

Interesting post. I feel the same way most of the time; winning because the opponent made a bad move. I'm 1600 + now and aiming for 1700, I already reached it but slid back.

OceanHost

Wow.. I am 1700+ now.. my highest is 1730 (May 9, 2016).. my best win is 1849..
and i still feel the same most of the time. (not always) 
I think things will change after i get to 1800 :) 
interesting! ;)

OceanHost
Don_frye1 wrote: 

Get a job.

I am a student :)
I will get a job when time will come.
think about yourself, you idiot troll over here!

OceanHost
Don_frye1 wrote:

When everyone else has gotten a job i will soon follow. Im a public servant and a hero. Now, just because your a student uses funds and loans subsidized by the tax payers doesn't mean you shouldn't work. There. Get a job you loser

Well the way you speak here clearly tells that what sort of hero you are. 
No one here asked whether they need to get a job or not. So shut your mouth.
You sound frustrated/ disturbed mind. Go contact some specialist.. (just an advise)
You will get well soon Laughing

whatadisaster

And it was all going so well...

 

Nice interesting thread OP.  Yes, it's a shame most games are decided by blunders.  Even GMs make them, just not so many.

 

danthemasterman
1684 is my highest 1676 is my current score , I seem too be holding myself in the 1600s . I understand what your trying too say , you want to win spectacularly, that out the blue check mate or the double jab of moves that cripple your equally matched opponent. A wins a win in my head , time mistake or better play. What you want you will achieve it . Good luck anyhow🇬🇧
OceanHost
danthemasterman wrote:
1684 is my highest 1676 is my current score , I seem too be holding myself in the 1600s . I understand what your trying too say , you want to win spectacularly, that out the blue check mate or the double jab of moves that cripple your equally matched opponent. A wins a win in my head , time mistake or better play. What you want you will achieve it . Good luck anyhow🇬🇧

Yeah! a win is a win..
I was here looking for other's views on the same topic. And I found it interesting :)
Good luck to you too..

DomDaBomb20

always better to win then to lose

ChessOath

You don't want to win games via a huge blunder? Become a better player. A much better player...

Mark_Zambelli
I feel the same way. I've played a couple standard time games against players 1800+ and only won due to them blundering. I never really win with a brute force tactic or better strategy.
OceanHost
ChessOath wrote:

You don't want to win games via a huge blunder? Become a better player. A much better player...

yeah :)
I wish to be one, one day.. and I am working for it :)

Inexorable88

Play people rated 2000+. You won't have this issue anymore. 

danthemasterman
Correction, 1700 highest I've been so far , and ignore don frye1. Look at his page there's nothing on it. I have looked at threads his posted in and he never has anything nice to say about anyone or anything for that matter troll is not the right word for him I presume it's a him .
PlayChessPoorly
Congrats on the 1600+! I hope to get there soon. I've heard a lot of people say that sometimes you feel like you plateau at a certain rating. I've felt that way about playing guitar in the past as well but it eventually came to pass after more practice. Good luck!