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I hate openings. Anyone else have trouble with openings?
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May 9, 2018
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FM_Checkmate wrote:
This is some joke.
I thought you wanted to quit.
Must be a kardashian, with all the attention whoring they are doing.
May 9, 2018
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#5
IMBacon wrote:
FM_Checkmate wrote:
This is some joke.
I thought you wanted to quit.
Must be a kardashian, with all the attention whoring they are doing.
Yeah. Most likely.
May 9, 2018
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#6
IMBacon wrote:
FM_Checkmate wrote:
This is some joke.
I thought you wanted to quit.
Must be a kardashian, with all the attention whoring they are doing.
Were you @FishEyedFools ?
May 9, 2018
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#7
FM_Checkmate wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
FM_Checkmate wrote:
This is some joke.
I thought you wanted to quit.
Must be a kardashian, with all the attention whoring they are doing.
Were you @FishEyedFools ?
Yep
No need to be mean guys to someone who has a chess learning disability.
May 9, 2018
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#10
But it seems like you also have a learning disability. That grammar is... disgusting.
May 9, 2018
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#11
FM_Checkmate wrote:
That's not a thing...
Not unless there is an acronym for it...
May 9, 2018
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#12
You cannot and should not memorize the moves unless you understand WHY they are being played. That, NOT memorizing, is what the other players are doing.
Once you know why you play the moves, the right openings for you will become obvious.
I suggest a break. Stop playing any and all forms of chess. Any time you spend playing chess instead devote to something like golf, which is a lot more challenging. If after a month or two, you still want to play chess, then just play for fun. Forget openings, strategy, tactics, etc. If you do that, and you have fun doing it, THEN you will have a new appreciation for it and not only will you get better, you will like getting better.
FM_Checkmate wrote:
But it seems like you also have a learning disability. That grammar is... disgusting.
Can you elaborate on how my grammar is poor?
"... For beginning players, [Discovering Chess Openings by GM John Emms] will offer an opportunity to start out on the right foot and really get a feel for what is happening on the board. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2006)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627114655/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen91.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/learning-an-opening-to-memorize-or-understand
https://www.chess.com/article/view/3-ways-to-learn-new-openings
https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-understand-openings
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/vincent-moret/
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7790.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7652.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen173.pdf
"... Overall, I would advise most players to stick to a fairly limited range of openings, and not to worry about learning too much by heart. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... Once you identify an opening you really like and wish to learn in more depth, then should you pick up a book on a particular opening or variation. Start with ones that explain the opening variations and are not just meant for advanced players. ..." - Dan Heisman (2001)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626180930/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman06.pdf
"... I feel that the main reasons to buy an opening book are to give a good overview of the opening, and to explain general plans and ideas. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... If the book contains illustrative games, it is worth playing these over first ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... the average player only needs to know a limited amount about the openings he plays. Providing he understands the main aims of the opening, a few typical plans and a handful of basic variations, that is enough. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... For inexperienced players, I think the model that bases opening discussions on more or less complete games that are fully annotated, though with a main focus on the opening and early middlegame, is the ideal. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2010)
"... Everyman Chess has started a new series aimed at those who want to understand the basics of an opening, i.e., the not-yet-so-strong players. ... I imagine [there] will be a long series based on the premise of bringing the basic ideas of an opening to the reader through plenty of introductory text, game annotations, hints, plans and much more. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627055734/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen38.pdf
"The way I suggest you study this book is to play through the main games once, relatively quickly, and then start playing the variation in actual games. Playing an opening in real games is of vital importance - without this kind of live practice it is impossible to get a 'feel' for the kind of game it leads to. There is time enough later for involvement with the details, after playing your games it is good to look up the line." - GM Nigel Davies (2005)
"... Review each of your games, identifying opening (and other) mistakes with the goal of not repeatedly making the same mistake. ... It is especially critical not to continually fall into opening traps – or even lines that result in difficult positions ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2007)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627062646/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman81.pdf
catdogorb wrote:
formatallan wrote:
unfortunately a lot of opposing players have memorized tens of thousands of openers and will counter every move you make, which leads to more losing. Stupid chess.
You're such a fking troll, lol
formatallan wrote:
How to do you memorize all of these moves and potential counters.
In the beginning, it's enough to just know the opening principals.
But when you do memorize moves, the only real way to remember them is if they make sense. Think about why the move is being made, and that way you'll remember it for quite a long time.
Of course this also requires studying chess in general (strategy, tactics, endgames) and having some experience.
formatallan wrote:
How to do you memorize all of these moves and potential counters. Write them down?
Chess Position Trainer is a nice piece of software I use sometimes.
formatallan wrote:
Has anyone ditched the openings because they suck?
Specific sucky openings, for objective as well as practical reasons? Yes.
But ditched In the sense that the opening phase itself sucks? No, you troll, lel.
Openings may not be critically important for you right now, but you can't just ignore them completely.
formatallan wrote:
Do you have to use a scripted opening?
No, as I said earlier, the opening principals are enough.
Ok I'm not a troll. I'm a real person, with real feelings man.
learn enough about openings to where you can get comfortable to apply “opening principles” when opponent foils plans on move 2
i was really having trouble with starting a game aka openings- i would waste all of my clock and still make lame moves
i learned some very basic lines in the italian that involved an early d3 if black plays Nf6 - this usually got me into a middle game in tact
i also did the same with the slav defense when white plays d4 (i play e4 as white so i was not familiar at all with d4) and learning something as fundamental of developing c pawn before the knight as black really helped me get into middlegames as black
if they play e4 i play e5 and hope for the best
but now most players are playing a bit sneaky when i play e4; they will develop a knight first or a dinky pawn move- prepping a center thrust to come after i commit- so what do i do now?
i kind of have to do what every veteran players spams everytime anyone under 2200 fide asks about openings
basic principles- i am not well versed as an e4 vs 1 ...c5 ; or ...e6 or ...d6 or whatever so what do i do?
well one day i said “eff it” and if they dont attack my e4 or play ...e5 i will play 2 d4
this isnt my italian game but i got two pawns in the center and lets roll
long story short- learn a few simple lines and ideas enough to wing it on principles when game isnt familiar
i was really having trouble with starting a game aka openings- i would waste all of my clock and still make lame moves
i learned some very basic lines in the italian that involved an early d3 if black plays Nf6 - this usually got me into a middle game in tact
i also did the same with the slav defense when white plays d4 (i play e4 as white so i was not familiar at all with d4) and learning something as fundamental of developing c pawn before the knight as black really helped me get into middlegames as black
if they play e4 i play e5 and hope for the best
but now most players are playing a bit sneaky when i play e4; they will develop a knight first or a dinky pawn move- prepping a center thrust to come after i commit- so what do i do now?
i kind of have to do what every veteran players spams everytime anyone under 2200 fide asks about openings
basic principles- i am not well versed as an e4 vs 1 ...c5 ; or ...e6 or ...d6 or whatever so what do i do?
well one day i said “eff it” and if they dont attack my e4 or play ...e5 i will play 2 d4
this isnt my italian game but i got two pawns in the center and lets roll
long story short- learn a few simple lines and ideas enough to wing it on principles when game isnt familiar
I may not actually be the worst player in the world like I claim, but I am still pretty horrible. I have won games here, but the losing has now taken over completely.
One of the things I did try was to memorize some openings, and I wanted to ask you guys about them. Of course my memory sucks so I never do them correctly. At this point I feel like just playing the game naturally with no scripted openers. But unfortunately a lot of opposing players have memorized tens of thousands of openers and will counter every move you make, which leads to more losing. Stupid chess.
Anyways, I have tried several different openings. I have tried the kings gambit, the queen's gambit, (of course), Ruy Lopez, the Slav, the Scandenavian, the French, and something called the Halloween opening. Which I may continue to try only because I like the name, halloween opening.
Anyways, have you guys had trouble putting these openings into use? How to do you memorize all of these moves and potential counters. Write them down? Has anyone ditched the openings because they suck? Do you have to use a scripted opening? I humbly await your responses. Seriously and thank you all for your understanding.