I have the Solution to stop cheating in Live Chess!

Like I said if the person isn't cheating the game would be resigned. 

Hah, the irony here is not lost on me.

I don't like the cheating,whats the point? my brain vs. your brain now thats Art. I'm to the point of not counting on chess.com for the answer. I'll play to practice but save my real game for over the board play.  the best anyway OTB baby. out  Dan ryan thank you   

My revised analogy was also not perfect (although it was better, and a lot less graphic than anything I could come up with on the vice squad side).

Perhaps a closer analogy is that of the recent illegal wire-tapping programs that occurred in the US which, while well intentioned, were a complete and utter betrayal of the trust and basic constitutional rights of the populace.

It doesn't matter if the wiretappers hung up as soon as they realized it was an innocuous conversation, the violation occurred as soon as they began to listen in to make that determination in the first place.

Yes I think Big Brother works for a chess site, and perhaps not a government.  As the chess site isn't in control of a military or economy.

It was an analogy intended to better fit your proposal than the undercover cop analogy.  I could also point out with respect to your analogy that chess.com doesn't have the power to put people in jail, either.

The point isn't how much power is wielded by the governing body in the analogy -- it's about the basic breach of trust and subsequent victimization of non-offenders.

everything should be tried to catch these cheats, its a great idea, but will need to be tweaked a bit, but i cant see what harm it will do to try it? with every one caught and kicked off the site improves. if your not cheating you have nothing to fear, hunt them down i say.

The issue i have with people that cheat and use any means to cheat is what satisfaction exactly do you get out of it?  I dont understand the euphoria of a rating that is based solely on cheating.  Its not like you actually beat anyone.  Again...i just dont get or understand it.

HuGE difference between NM and say Fritz

paul211> I did not say that I checkmated ChessmasterGrand Master but that he resigned after having gobbled 3 or 4 of his pawns, from memory.

Chessmaster Grandmaster Edition never resigns. It's one of the most requested features and one thing I really hate about it. I can be ahead a queen, rook, and bishop but still I have to play out mate... most humans are smarter than that!

See:

Does this version Resign when losing?

No draws - no resignation

Resignations

Chessmaster 10 feature requests

paul211, ok, but double-check what version you have... something's fishy if it resigned. Maybe you downloaded a hacked copy or a special patch with resignation added in. If so, let me know where to get it because I want it too.

Note, I've tried all official versions of CM:GE--v1.0, v1.1, and v1.2.

immortalgamer: "

Then why would police officers pose as prostitues or drug dealers to catch the actual criminals?

I'm not saying the chess is as important as those things...just making a point on what works."

TheGrobe: "The police officers who pose as prostitues and drug dealers don't actually sell sex or drugs to the general public."

immortalgamer: "Yes they do.  They just make arrests (e.g cancel accounts) before the perp gets away."

That would likely be entrapment, but as has been pointed out, it's not in any way relevant to this issue. The idea is absurd.

Problem: too much cheating, which is annoying for non-cheaters.

Solution: increase amount of cheating.

This misguided post highlights one of the biggest problems with the idea in the original post.  You say with every one caught and kicked off, the site improves; but under the 'cheat squad' plan, that isn't true.

After you've caught all the real cheaters, there will still be people using engines!  What is the point of getting rid of all the cheaters if it doesn't get rid of the engines?

first, this is a very cleaver and interesting solution, but you made a mistake, you just said all  and explained about "Cheat Squad", you had wrote a manual for "Cheat Squad" how is going to work, this is an advantage for cheaters......i suggest you in the future, show this kind of ideas only to the staff of Chess.com

This idea is way too complicated and doesn't sound good at all. Get real. It is extremely hard to catch a player using an engine, and if no cheating is what you want you should just play OTB tournaments, and if someone robes you from 30 points by using an engine, well, too bad, who cares, screw them, life goes on and you will still meet lots of friends who don't cheat.

Newbie1995> I think it is funny how all the below average players don't think it is a good idea and all the good players think it has some merit, but needs some work.

Hmm... NM Ozzie Cobblepot said, "I was not under the impression there was cheating in live chess." and Torkil (FIDE 2070) said, "I'm sorry, but if this idea is meant seriously it appears totally paranoid to me." I'm apparently in the top 2% of "Long" Live Chess players here--and I also do not like the proposal of chess.com adding engine users to Live chess to catch the rare engine user. That cure's worse than the disease! There are better ways to go about this, and I wouldn't be surprised if chess.com was already doing something.

Again, I can verify at least my last twenty games were engine-free.

it's a solution that has little to no downside that cannot be fairly addressed.I like it. Simple and brilliant.

Who's to say Eric doesn't already have a voluntary staff of monitors using engines?

He has always said Chess.com will not reveal it's anti-cheating measures. I believe such a system is and has been in place.

Cheaters beware!

i do think a more proactive solution is best.  maybe with a few tweaks here and there it would be a great preventative system for cheating.  i just starting playing chess not that long ago and im not great.  but i love live chess and i hate to think improvement could be dampened by something as childish as cheating.  i mean if youre not even playing the game then whats the point of playing at all? i do understand though that a snatch a grab approach wont solve all the problems and could even cause more.  but its the right track.

No chess program on full strength would ever play 9...Qg6