I have the Solution to stop cheating in Live Chess!

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Kingfisher

It's the ELO system. You beat higher rated enemies and lose against lower rated. The low rated ones should have had a lower rating to put you back down to 1200.

Diomed
paul211 wrote: My friend's computer is a 2.73 Mhz, up speeded, with 8 Gb of memory and has a quad core processor, 12Mb of l2 cache and a speed of 1333 fsb, front side bust. Not a small computer by any means and if I beat a super engine like this , whether it be once in a 100 games I wiil take it. 

Wow, that sounds like a pretty impressive computer.  Most ram I've heard of is 4 gigs.  But anyway, in your original post didn't you say you played against one of the 1700 or 1800 level personalities?  Not the actual 'chessmaster' personality whose rating is ~2900 according to the game?

The other personalities are handicapped versions of the chessmaster engine to simulate players at that level.  I'm gonna go ahead and say its not remotely possible to beat the chessmaster engine in 13 moves.

KillaBeez

There is no way you can beat a chessmaster personality rated 1800 in 13 moves.  They don't even resign.  So how are you going to checkmate an 1800 in 13 moves?  Chessmaster also gives spite checks before it gets mated, so there is no way you could have done that.  Also, nice exaggerations on your computer

atomichicken

I don't think immortalgamer has actually said yet what's wrong with the current system. At first thought your idea seems OK, but as other people have mentioned trying to detect cheating by cheating surely would only worsen the problem.

TheGrobe
rich wrote:

I think it's a good idea  immortalgamer, this will stop a lot of cheating and I don't like cheating. I think people have actually cheated against me in Live chess. That's one of the reasons I don't even play it anymore !


It stops cheating, by replacing it with sanctioned engine play.

The net result is that players will still have to deal with opponents who use engines but pose as legitimate players -- nothing will have actually been accomplished other than to rearrange the semantics of the problem and to bring the offenders in-house.

immortalgamer
TheGrobe wrote:
rich wrote:

I think it's a good idea  immortalgamer, this will stop a lot of cheating and I don't like cheating. I think people have actually cheated against me in Live chess. That's one of the reasons I don't even play it anymore !


It stops cheating, by replacing it with sanctioned engine play.

The net result is that players will still have to deal with opponents who use engines but pose as legitimate players -- nothing will have actually been accomplished other than to rearrange the semantics of the problem and to bring the offenders in-house.


Again...and I said this prior.  Though I understand most people don't read every response.  If a "cheat squad mod" (ohhhh I like the sound of that)....happens to be playing someone who isn't cheating they will resign the game unlike a real cheater.

immortalgamer

Oh and for those of you who don't think cheating is an issue...this post has had more views and comments in 5 hours than any of my "straight chess" posts have in total.

TheGrobe
immortalgamer wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:
rich wrote:

I think it's a good idea  immortalgamer, this will stop a lot of cheating and I don't like cheating. I think people have actually cheated against me in Live chess. That's one of the reasons I don't even play it anymore !


It stops cheating, by replacing it with sanctioned engine play.

The net result is that players will still have to deal with opponents who use engines but pose as legitimate players -- nothing will have actually been accomplished other than to rearrange the semantics of the problem and to bring the offenders in-house.


Again...and I said this prior.  Though I understand most people don't read every response.  If a "cheat squad mod" (ohhhh I like the sound of that)....happens to be playing someone who isn't cheating they will resign the game unlike a real cheater.


They will get made very quickly if they do this.

S3XFR3AK

too long to read.

 good job its probably good =]

immortalgamer

Well Grob.  If a banned person is banned by I.P address and they "made" a cheat squad mod.  It wouldn't matter.  That person would need a new I.P address to sign up.  What a pain that would be to go through. 

TheGrobe

You seem to have missed that if cheaters have made your engine players they will be able to avoid being banned.

Olimar
immortalgamer wrote:

No. 

For instance if you are rated 1500 and all of a sudden beat Fritz or Rybka in a 15 min game you are cheating.  If Kramnik, Short, or Adams, can beat them how likely is it a 1500 or even a 2500 could?

That is why you make the "Chess.com cheat squad" have ratings which will intice a cheater to play. 

It is a fantastic idea.


the one obvious flaw...... (maybe someone else has pointed this out yet)

What if I am the best chess player in exsistence, and its my first or second game on live chess?  My rating isn't going to magically be 2100 just because it should be, so after I stomp your engine, I would be banned even though in a week's time my rating would be 2100 (or whatever it might be).  You HAVE to check people's history before just blindly banning.

immortalgamer

I'm sorry I don't know how to be more clear? 

I.P address is logged and banned...do you not understand this? 

Cheater gets banned...there account is gone and there I.P address cannot sign up with a new account. 

They would need a different computer to sign up again, and most likely would get caught by some different cheat squad mod.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORD THAT ARE COMMIN OUT OF MY MOUTH?

TheGrobe

I'm not misunderstanding you -- I'm disagreeing with you:

I don't want to play a sanctioned engine player any more than I want to play an unsanctioned one.  Adding a caveat that they would resign as soon as they determine that I'm not a cheater doesn't change that, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this.

immortalgamer
Olimar wrote:

the one obvious flaw...... (maybe someone else has pointed this out yet)

What if I am the best chess player in exsistence, and its my first or second game on live chess?  My rating isn't going to magically be 2100 just because it should be, so after I stomp your engine, I would be banned even though in a week's time my rating would be 2100 (or whatever it might be).  You HAVE to check people's history before just blindly banning.


Please stop with these inane arguments.  The best player in history.  Please!  Still couldn't beat Rybka...however I already stated that a titled player (GM's, IM's or NM's) cannot be banned by a squad member. 

Talk about a straw man argument...Please.

immortalgamer
TheGrobe wrote:

I'm not misunderstanding you -- I'm disagreeing with you:

I don't want to play a sanctioned engine player any more than I want to play an unsanctioned one.  Adding a caveat that they would resign as soon as they determine that I'm not a cheater doesn't change that, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this.


Well Option 1: You play an actual cheater and you lose points.

Option 2: you play a cheat squad member.  They recognize you are human and they resign and you don't lose any points.

HUMMMM.  Which sounds better.

Oh and should they come upon the person who would have taken your points in the option number 1.  They would ban that person on the spot.

RyanMK
immortalgamer wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

I'm not misunderstanding you -- I'm disagreeing with you:

I don't want to play a sanctioned engine player any more than I want to play an unsanctioned one.  Adding a caveat that they would resign as soon as they determine that I'm not a cheater doesn't change that, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this.


Well Option 1: You play an actual cheater and you lose points.

Option 2: you play a cheat squad member.  They recognize you are human and they resign and you don't lose any points.

HUMMMM.  Which sounds better.

Oh and should they come upon the person who would have taken your points in the option number 1.  They would ban that person on the spot.


 I think option 2 should be modified to say:

You play both actual cheaters and cheat squad members. You still lose points, but now you have to play twice as many engines.

TheGrobe

As they do now, under the current program (which you seem to have omitted as an option).  The two options you've described above are hardly mutually exclusive, and are also not the only two options out there.  I think that the last thing chess.com should do is to lend any legitimacy to engine play one this site by making it part of their anti-cheating program.  As I've stated previously, it can only hurt their credibility.  While I can appreciate the intent, this is an unworkable idea.

immortalgamer

Totally disagree. 100%

Is completly workable and will keep cheaters away, by actually catching them.

immortalgamer
Inverness wrote:

 immortalgamer you are an immortal pompous A. First you come up with the most preposterous idea for capturing suspected cheats in live chess. Are you willing to sac your precious 2000 rating to spend all your time to be a 1500 lure in live chess? Who will be your cohorts to cover the 24/7 that this site is available? You would need hundreds of volunteers if not more? Secondly you have no clue about I.P addressing. I have seen one viable suggestion for halting cheating in 5 pages of forum whining and ranting and raving.


Thanks for the helpful advice.  No I wouldn't spend all my time.  Take say 500 members. Have them spend an hour per week as a mod.  Done.

And please enlighten me about I.P banning.  I do it all the time on forum sites I webmaster.

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