It's not insufficient material because he could have mated you in theory if you played the right moves.
I think a new draw should be added
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That's very sporting of you, and yeah the win probably doesn't feel right.
But it's an internet game, sometimes crazy stuff happens.
If you want you can think of it as the balance for the future (or past) game where you'll be in the process of delivering mate, but a mouse slip causes you to hang your queen and now you lose.
Oinquarki, that's only true if the pawn is a rook pawn and has a promotion square the bishop can reach (or else it must still be on the 2nd rank). That's not what the OP is talking about though; he's saying that a pending draw offer should be auto-accepted when the clock runs out.
I myself see no reason to do that, it was your opponent's very stupid mistake of not accepting the draw and letting his clock run out. If you can't even click on the accept draw button within the given time, you really don't deserve that draw ;)
MaartenSmit wrote:
Oinquarki, that's only true if the pawn is a rook pawn and has a promotion square the bishop can reach (or else it must still be on the 2nd rank). That's not what the OP is talking about though; he's saying that a pending draw offer should be auto-accepted when the clock runs out.
I myself see no reason to do that, it was your opponent's very stupid mistake of not accepting the draw and letting his clock run out. If you can't even click on the accept draw button within the given time, you really don't deserve that draw ;)
http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=145812622
MaartenSmit wrote:
Oinquarki, that's only true if the pawn is a rook pawn and has a promotion square the bishop can reach (or else it must still be on the 2nd rank). That's not what the OP is talking about though; he's saying that a pending draw offer should be auto-accepted when the clock runs out.
I myself see no reason to do that, it was your opponent's very stupid mistake of not accepting the draw and letting his clock run out. If you can't even click on the accept draw button within the given time, you really don't deserve that draw ;)
Either side could have mated from that position regardless of what rank or file the pawn is on. Unfortunately there is no way for an automated system to determine the likelihood of this happening and so a win (and loss) is the result every time.
oinquarki wrote:
It's not insufficient material because he could have mated you in theory if you played the right moves.
Really?
a pending draw offer should be auto-accepted when the clock runs out, and here is why that is the case.
In chess it is illegal for you to put your own king into check, if you have any other option than putting your king into check you must make one of the other options.
With the pending draw offer not being accepted his time runs out, and he is considered to be checkmated by me due to his time running out.
However because a draw was offered and his time ran out that means he has the option other than putting his own king into check the draw option.
Think about it, when that clock hits 0 his king has 2 options.
Option A) accept the draw that has been offered
Option B) lose the game instantly
Seriously think about the fact that it is illegal to put your own king into check, and when a draw is on the table it is not technically off the table until you move a piece.
Frankdawg wrote:
oinquarki wrote:
It's not insufficient material because he could have mated you in theory if you played the right moves.
Really?
Your example uses the wrong rook pawn. I do agree that a pending draw offer should be auto-accepted if your flag falls however.
brilliantboy wrote:
Frankdawg wrote:
oinquarki wrote:
It's not insufficient material because he could have mated you in theory if you played the right moves.
Really?
Your example uses the wrong rook pawn. I do agree that a pending draw offer should be auto-accepted if your flag falls however.
nicely done, now show me how it is done when the bishop is on the other color like in the actual game I was talking about :p
Frankdawg wrote:
a pending draw offer should be auto-accepted when the clock runs out, and here is why that is the case.
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With the pending draw offer not being accepted his time runs out, and he is considered to be checkmated by me due to his time running out.
No, he is not considered "checkmated." He loses because he failed to complete the game in the time alotted. This is entirely different.
He had the opportunity to accept the draw. If he chose not to, he accepted a loss. Perhaps he felt that he did not play well enough to deserve even a draw, and deliberately allowed the win to be awarded. Without comment from him, we can only speculate.
The point is, he had his opportunity within the existing rules. There is no reason to alter the rules to benefit those who fail to, or refuse to, avail themselves of those opportunities.
Frankdawg wrote: nicely done, now show me how it is done when the bishop is on the other color like in the actual game I was talking about :p
you mean the game oinquarki posted above? it's the same as your example 
Obviously if the bishop was a different color or the pawn was a h-pawn no mate (by white) is possible
brilliantboy wrote:
Frankdawg wrote: nicely done, now show me how it is done when the bishop is on the other color like in the actual game I was talking about :p
Obviously if the bishop was a different color or the pawn was a h-pawn no mate (by white) is possible
It can be done though:
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TheMouse beat me to it.
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I recently had a game vs a bit of a stronger player than myself. I fought the good fight, and in the end I had a knight and some pawns while he had a bishop and some pawns. I managed to take out every single one of his pawns losing my knight in the process. I was left with just a lone pawn, he had a bishop, and my pawn was not near promotion so it could have been stopped by his bishop with ease.
At this point I offered my opponent a draw, he has just a bishop, my pawn is not gonna make it past that bishop so neither of us will be able to checkmate the other.
He sat and though, or went AFK until his clock ran out, and I was given the win even though I had a pending draw offer out there to him.
If I had offered the draw already, and then his clock ran out shouldn't it be a draw? Not according to the rules I won that game