I think chess needs to be updated

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More of..."Chess needs to be changed..."

A game that hasn't been solved, man hasn't mastered, is still full of positions that have never been reached, ideas that haven't been tried....and yet...it needs to be "changed"

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BL4D3RUNN3R wrote:

Nothing is wrong. One small adjustment: abolishing the draw offer could be tested (like Sofia rule)

 

Chess is rich after all. 

 

Chess is not that rich. I'm sure most 1800+ players know 95% of what they need to know in chess. If they made less tactical mistakes then they can be titled players maybe even GM. The difference between a GM and an 1800 is that a GM plays the best moves more consistently and they make less tactical blunders. The 5% of knowledge is situational positional and endgame stuff.

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Difference between club and GM player is occupation...

At NM and above is either semi pro or pro... so they be playing 6 or 8hrs per day. Not denying talent has a part, but graft is the main difference. 

As for the sicilian, does score a little better than e5 or French... but is certainly not overpowering or unbeatable... am thinking you know that...

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What if we exchange the pieces function. It is to diminish memorization and player stay focused on strategy and tactics. The rest of the rules are not change.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess960-chess-variants/functional-exchanged-chess  

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NonSequitur7 wrote:

I think chess needs updates. Every few months FIDE should update the rules of chess this way we can change the chess meta (most effective tactic available or the best thing to do after the most recent update, the meta can change after each update). For hundreds of years chess has been the same. The last major update was to include clocks to chess, other than that chess has been the exact same.

The only reason we see Sicilian and Ruy Lopez in the top tournaments is because that's the meta in chess right now and it always will be unless we change the rules of chess. Sicilian and Ruy Lopez are simply too strong, if it works for the top players then club players will simply copy them. It's simple trickle down economics. If chess were to be updated, for example when kingside castling your rook would go to e1/e8 automatically. This would change the chess meta so that openings like the Evans Gambit will be stronger and other e4 openings can benefit but it depends on the variation, on the other hand openings like the Dutch will be weaker and thus this changes the meta. If chess were to be updated then players would need to learn how to adapt to the current meta and learn new openings. This way we can see new openings played at a higher level every month. For example, the meta could be that openings like the King's gambit and the Leningrad are currently the strongest, we will see top GMs play new openings instead of exclusively play the same 3 openings.

This will benefit chess tremulously. First of all, it will reward players for keeping up with the updates and punish players will refuse to adapt. Secondly, we will see GMs learn new openings and plans to fit the current meta. Lastly, chess is dying at an alarming rate and has a competitive scene that no one cares about, I think updating chess every now and then will save this dying board game.

Go ahead, find me two games that exactly match.  It does not bode well if FIDE has to change chess so that it can pander to an audience with an extremely short attention span.

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Also, I disagree with the "nobody cares about" statement that you make.  Chess has a quite active fan base, and it was and still is a game about who can think the best, not whoever can cope with arbitrary rule changes that are forced upon them.

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IMBacon wrote:

More of..."Chess needs to be changed..."

A game that hasn't been solved, man hasn't mastered, is still full of positions that have never been reached, ideas that haven't been tried....and yet...it needs to be "changed"

You're right. Chess doesn't need to be updated, it HAS to be updated. This is the only way we can save chess.

MickinMD wrote:

If you keep changing the rules, chaos reigns.

Some rules that have been changed in the 1800's or later, like incremental time per move, stalemate being a draw, or white moving first, could be changed without a major change in how the game is played.  But rules pertaining to how the Pieces move or are intially placed would not be needed.

This is another reason why chess needs to be changed. If we constantly update the rules every 4-6 months, it's enough time for chess players to study the new meta and play it in a tournament. For those who refuse to accept the change and leave chess, it's good because we don't need people who are unwilling to adapt.

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Chess has never been more popular, as a participant sport is second only to soccer.

As a spectator sport... is not so good? Who has patience to watch a classical game for hour after hour? More people probably watched WC tiebreak than the classic games combined...

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Chess 960 is played by less than 5%. I won't mind it become mainstream chess. How about the more than 95%? And classical chess needs more time reduction. Maximum time as 180 minutes including WCC games. People rarely watch 180 minutes. 

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updating chess to change the meta? this isnt fortnite

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DeardrieSky... i think i take the opinion of a titled GM... over a patzer nobody like you who can't get any title, or show your face... but spews contempt and disdain for people day after day.

Look in your mirror... you will see either a troll or a fool... or both.

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Ghost_Horse0 wrote:
KaosKid wrote:
NonSequitur7 wrote:

I think chess needs updates.

960 solves everything.

960 has multiple flaws.

I honestly couldn't care less about your opinion

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KaosKid wrote:
Ghost_Horse0 wrote:
KaosKid wrote:
NonSequitur7 wrote:

I think chess needs updates.

960 solves everything.

960 has multiple flaws.

I honestly couldn't care less about your opinion

It's not my opinion, I carefully explained it.

I honestly couldn't care less about your ignorance.

 

And this is why I keep deleting accounts... people here are too stupid to understand most of what I say... so tell me why I should keep coming here.

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DeirdreSkye wrote:
NonSequitur7 wrote:
BL4D3RUNN3R wrote:

Nothing is wrong. One small adjustment: abolishing the draw offer could be tested (like Sofia rule)

 

Chess is rich after all. 

 

Chess is not that rich. I'm sure most 1800+ players know 95% of what they need to know in chess. If they made less tactical mistakes then they can be titled players maybe even GM. The difference between a GM and an 1800 is that a GM plays the best moves more consistently and they make less tactical blunders. The 5% of knowledge is situational positional and endgame stuff.

    1800 players know 95% of chess!!!Really? That's the biggest joke this year but this is exactly the problem.

. . .

OP is an obvious troll.

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Ghost_Horse0 wrote:
KaosKid wrote:
Ghost_Horse0 wrote:
KaosKid wrote:
NonSequitur7 wrote:

I think chess needs updates.

960 solves everything.

960 has multiple flaws.

I honestly couldn't care less about your opinion

It's not my opinion, I carefully explained it.

I honestly couldn't care less about your ignorance.

 

And this is why I keep deleting accounts... people here are too stupid to understand most of what I say... so tell me why I should keep coming here.

Have you been off your meds huh?

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Ghost_Horse0 wrote:

Most suggestions to address the draw rate are pretty bad. A lot of players don't understand how chess works. For example they don't know why getting rid of stalemate would greatly reduce middlegame strategy making chess much less of a game. They don't know why 960 would reduce the depth of chess, how some 960 positions give white a big advantage, and how some 960 positions would lead to boring openings by force. They don't know that the sofia rules can be easily avoided by a 3 move repetition. In the Chinese league there are rules where games must last a certain amount of time, so when they want a draw the players will just sit there for an hour before drawing. It's silly.

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First of all, I think FIDE should make some kind of committee, and involve the top 100 players, or everyone with a 2700+ rating. They could ask them for ideas, and poll them.

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As for my suggestion, I'd like to see FIDE pick ~5 positions from chess 960 to be used for 1-3 years. First engines would throw out all 960 positions that aren't close to equal. 2nd humans would narrow down the set to maybe 50 based on aesthetics and complexity, and then finally FIDE would give that ~50 position set to GMs to vote, and the best 5 would be selected for that cycle.

Then before a game starts, 1 of the 5 are randomly selected.

Also time controls would not allow a game to last 5-7 hours. Like it or not top GMs are just too good, even at 960. I don't know what an appropriate time control is, professionals would have a good sense for it, but all this 30 second increment, 3 time control nonsense should stop IMO.

Agreed.

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NonSequitur7 wrote:
ArgoNavis wrote:

The Sicilian has been a problem in the chess competitive scene for years. It's just that no one in the FIDE had the guts to deal with it. Former president Kirsan Ilyumzhinov successfully distracted the public from this issue by resorting to the old and tested "alien abduction" story. However, there is a new sheriff in the town, and I hope Mr. Dvorkovich will be brave in his crusade against the overpowered Sicilian. Whether it's better to outright ban it or just nerf it, that's something that still needs to be discussed.

Outright banning the Sicilian is necessary for the longevity of chess for now. Once FIDE starts updating chess then we can lift the ban of the Sicilian. However, I don't think Sicilian should be banned entirely, just the Najdorf. This way we can watch actual interesting Sicilian openings like the Sveshnikov, Kan, or any other Sicilian that Emory Tate has played.

How do you ban a chess opening? It's not only difficult, it is a ludicrous idea! how would one commitee ban it everywhere? people will start private organizatons and stuff. It simply would not work, even if it was a good idea.

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KaosKid wrote:
Ghost_Horse0 wrote:
KaosKid wrote:
Ghost_Horse0 wrote:
KaosKid wrote:
NonSequitur7 wrote:

I think chess needs updates.

960 solves everything.

960 has multiple flaws.

I honestly couldn't care less about your opinion

It's not my opinion, I carefully explained it.

I honestly couldn't care less about your ignorance.

 

And this is why I keep deleting accounts... people here are too stupid to understand most of what I say... so tell me why I should keep coming here.

Have you been off your meds huh?

Dude, please stop arguing with everything and being a troll. It may be fun for you, but it enrages and annoys other people.

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Ghost_Horse0 wrote:

After I realize they're a troll it's fine

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