I think chess needs to be updated - Chess Forums - Page 7

Jonschesschannel

Feb 24, 2019

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#121

Fischer tried to say the same thing you said a long time ago OP, but he got laughed out and called crazy. You aren't saying anything new.

Jonschesschannel

Feb 24, 2019

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#122

GothicChessInventor wrote:

DeirdreSkye wrote:

GothicChessInventor wrote:

Here's me playing 4-time Women's World Champion GM Susan Polgar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prVYwsBpHb8

Ok , I got it ,you desperately try to promote your variant. That explains a lot.

By the way , I found no rating of yours either in FIDE or USCF. Can you tell me why?

Desperately TRYING to promote a variant? Did you see how I raised $15 million to get Fischer to play Karpov? I think I succeeding in promoting my variant, yeeeeears ago.

People keep asking me for sets, so I just relaunched the business again. The fact you are ignorant of what has already transpired does not diminish it.

I never heard of this. Very interesting.

AndBell

Feb 24, 2019

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#123

Jonschesschannel wrote:

Fischer tried to say the same thing you said a long time ago OP, but he got laughed out and called crazy. You aren't saying anything new.

Chess is only too "drawish" if you are in an elite .001% of players. For anyone else rated 2400 or below to say it's too easy to draw in all these different lines is ridiculous. Some 1600 patzer declaring an opening dead because "theory" is like me proposing my own version of quantum physics (which I have by the way).

evert823

Feb 24, 2019

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#124

I adore more complex chess pieces for their own merit. For me on my limited level, it doesn't matter if I play 10x8 or 10x10, or Capablanca Random or Embassy or Capablanca or Gothic.

But I estimate that the core chess community is very stubborn and will not tolerate any substantial rule change. That's also why I slowly turn away from that.

evert823

Feb 24, 2019

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#125

GothicChessInventor wrote:

All that is needed is to raise one new generation preferring the new to the old.

Yes, but I see what happens. The youth is very enthousiastic about 'chess' (boring old FIDE chess) and lots of attention goes to 'youth chess' (presenting only boring old FIDE chess to the next generation).

Jonschesschannel

Feb 24, 2019

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#126

AndBell wrote:

Jonschesschannel wrote:

Fischer tried to say the same thing you said a long time ago OP, but he got laughed out and called crazy. You aren't saying anything new.

Chess is only too "drawish" if you are in an elite .001% of players. For anyone else rated 2400 or below to say it's too easy to draw in all these different lines is ridiculous. Some 1600 patzer declaring an opening dead because "theory" is like me proposing my own version of quantum physics (which I have by the way).

Ha! Well said. It doesn't apply to 99% of players. If it's too drawish play someone stronger.

LionVanHalen

Feb 24, 2019

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#127

Yes sir, Gothic dude is a genius... Karpov, Fischer, Judit and Susan Polgar agree.

Patzers like Deardrie disagree.

Still think is needing a little change, but the basic concept is great... play like Chess but more like a battle.

the horse rook hybrid is awesome... can we play online?!

Nordlandia

Feb 25, 2019

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#128

FIDE chess is humdrum. Gothic Chess is not. There is new oceans to be discovered.

CM BL4D3RUNN3R

Feb 25, 2019

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#129

Gossip Chess? Never heard of it.

LionVanHalen

Feb 25, 2019

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#130

Played some... is good but the new pieces take a lot of getting used too?

At this point i would prefer just an extra knight anf bishop...

But is good.

samrubinstein

Feb 25, 2019

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#131

Chess is perfect the way it is

aspiringpsychiatrist

Feb 25, 2019

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#132

NonSequitur7 wrote:

I think chess needs updates. Every few months FIDE should update the rules of chess this way we can change the chess meta (most effective tactic available or the best thing to do after the most recent update, the meta can change after each update). For hundreds of years chess has been the same. The last major update was to include clocks to chess, other than that chess has been the exact same.

The only reason we see Sicilian and Ruy Lopez in the top tournaments is because that's the meta in chess right now and it always will be unless we change the rules of chess. Sicilian and Ruy Lopez are simply too strong, if it works for the top players then club players will simply copy them. It's simple trickle down economics. If chess were to be updated, for example when kingside castling your rook would go to e1/e8 automatically. This would change the chess meta so that openings like the Evans Gambit will be stronger and other e4 openings can benefit but it depends on the variation, on the other hand openings like the Dutch will be weaker and thus this changes the meta. If chess were to be updated then players would need to learn how to adapt to the current meta and learn new openings. This way we can see new openings played at a higher level every month. For example, the meta could be that openings like the King's gambit and the Leningrad are currently the strongest, we will see top GMs play new openings instead of exclusively play the same 3 openings.

This will benefit chess tremulously. First of all, it will reward players for keeping up with the updates and punish players will refuse to adapt. Secondly, we will see GMs learn new openings and plans to fit the current meta. Lastly, chess is dying at an alarming rate and has a competitive scene that no one cares about, I think updating chess every now and then will save this dying board game.

No offense, I read this and I was like, lol. We all love chess because of it's original beauty. At least I do. But if you feel like chess needs updates, cool!

LionVanHalen

Feb 25, 2019

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#133

Not a case of either and or... Gothic is genius, he and Lion do not want replacement... just a different variation to enjoy.

bong711

Feb 25, 2019

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#134

I propose adding an additional 2 minor pieces called the Cannon in Chinese Chess. The board would be 8 x 10 then

CouchTomato

Feb 25, 2019

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#135

Adding new pieces or anything crazy like that isn't updating chess. It's adding a variant. That's not going to work at all, realistically, if the goal is to change chess itself.

I made a post recently about a "try rule" or perhaps "victory by capturing the throne": https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/what-if-chess-implemented-a-try-rule. It can be an en passant-like addition that can significantly change endgame play (especially draws), but at the same time keep the core of the game unchanged.

bong711

Feb 25, 2019

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#136

Just for laughs i propose speed chess players use voice activated chess clock. Or have a large chess clock 10 meters away from the board.

Nordlandia

Feb 26, 2019

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#137

bong711: how about using hourglass device?

bong711

Feb 26, 2019

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#138

bong711 wrote:

Just for laughs i propose speed chess players use voice activated chess clock. Or have a large chess clock 10 meters away from the board.

10 meters back and forth from chessboard to chess clock is easy. I'll add obstacle. Chess players must be barefooted and pass thru the obstacle path.

Polar_Bear

Feb 26, 2019

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#139

NonSequitur7 wrote:

Polar_Bear wrote:

NonSequitur7 wrote:

I think chess needs updates.

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In other words, you suggest creating another chess variant. Dude, go ahead and do it. We chess players thank you for your concern and effort, but speaking for myself I prefer classic chess over any variant, sanctioned by FIDE or not.

Maybe you shouldn't waste your talent messing with chess variant and create new game altogether.

I don't want to create a whole new variant, if I do it will have the same flaws as chess. The same 5 openings will be the same and nothing will change. Chess has to update over time to make some openings viable for a few months and then other openings will be more powerful after the next update. The core of chess will be the same.

It wouldn't work.

1) FIDE is not in position to change basic rules of chess, because FIDE holds no (copy)rights. They can only recommend time control formats and create fair-play rules for their official events. (Unlike e.g. WotC with MtG, they can change/update rules as they please, because they hold copyrights exclusively.)

2) If FIDE changed basic rules even a little and tried to proclaim classic chess obsolete, classic chess players (large majority, including myself) would split immediately (and demand transfer of all funds).

3) Chess is not dying. Chess is a game for players in the first place, not for spectators, and competitive players think it is OK. Capablanca later admitted he had been wrong, and no one from top active players ever tried to suggest the same anymore. If you find chess boring, watch and play something else. GMs play their favourite openings like the Ruy, because they are subtle and bring more problems for an opponent than explosive gambits, or at least avoid significant risk. (Well, I think e.g. the KG is OK, but white must choose either accept own fight for equality, which wastes white color, or sacrifice huge portion of material going into ruthless attack, which requires good nerves and creativity under duress. Definitely not for everyone. Moreover, black can avoid it accepting slightly worse playable position, not much worse than in the Ruy.)

LionVanHalen

Feb 26, 2019

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#140

Problem is...

Chess could be great spectator sport?

Late Night Chess... two top GM, slow blitz or rapid..,

We have great tv?!

Maybe dress up GM with designer suit... disco dance song... studio audience... dancing girls...

People like Lion and Gothic will change game, make better yes?!