I think the WCM title should not be given out anymore
I read the chessbase one. Harassment definitely exists, and in extreme cases is illegal, like that guy taking pictures of the underage girl...
... but to be honest, I'm not sure how awarding titles to weak players makes any of that better.
Giving women money and training and exclusive tournaments is helpful, but titles for lesser achievements seem like a slap in the face. I think they'll disappear eventually.
Here's an article from 2020 written in the wake of the success of The Queen's Gambit that I think covers the issue pretty well:
https://theconversation.com/whats-behind-the-gender-imbalance-in-top-level-chess-150637
I agree that women's titles should and could disappear eventually, but that point of equal opportunity still feels a long way off when folks are claiming that they don't need them even now.
See also the rise of attitudes towards women as demonstrated in Andrew Tate and his ilk's popularity, the restriction of women's rights and bodily autonomy in various places and the fact that even in my home country of Australia, a woman is killed by a current or former intimate partner every 11 days https://www.aihw.gov.au/family-domestic-and-sexual-violence/responses-and-outcomes/domestic-homicide. In England and Wales it was 1 every 4-5 days between 2009/10 and 2021/22 if my math is right: https://www.statista.com/statistics/288298/female-victims-of-homicide-england-and-wales-by-relationship-to-offender Although you'd need to divide those numbers by population to get a more appropriate comparison. Couldn't find what the rate was in the US handily, but I'm sure the data exists.
Also can you show the ecf rating? 2000 ecf and 696 rapid is unbelievable lol
alr it's my blitz otb rating but my rapid otb is 1718 and classical is 1691 (out of a lot of games, it's an A rating. I will admit my blitz is overrated for now
It's still really weird for under 1000 on chess.com. I'll believe you if I meet you otb lol, I'm doing tournaments in London in July.
Also can you show the ecf rating? 2000 ecf and 696 rapid is unbelievable lol
alr it's my blitz otb rating but my rapid otb is 1718 and classical is 1691 (out of a lot of games, it's an A rating. I will admit my blitz is overrated for now
It's still really weird for under 1000 on chess.com. I'll believe you if I meet you otb lol, I'm doing tournaments in London in July.
Look at my games OTB - Ive even recently beat a 1850 in classical. I just haven't used the account in a long time. I'm near london so we could meet, DM me where you're playing (if it is ok) and i'll see if i can join u!
I read the chessbase one. Harassment definitely exists, and in extreme cases is illegal, like that guy taking pictures of the underage girl...
... but to be honest, I'm not sure how awarding titles to weak players makes any of that better.
Giving women money and training and exclusive tournaments is helpful, but titles for lesser achievements seem like a slap in the face. I think they'll disappear eventually.
Here's an article from 2020 written in the wake of the success of The Queen's Gambit that I think covers the issue pretty well:
https://theconversation.com/whats-behind-the-gender-imbalance-in-top-level-chess-150637
I agree that women's titles should and could disappear eventually, but that point of equal opportunity still feels a long way off when folks are claiming that they don't need them even now.
See also the rise of attitudes towards women as demonstrated in Andrew Tate and his ilk's popularity, the restriction of women's rights and bodily autonomy in various places and the fact that even in my home country of Australia, a woman is killed by a current or former intimate partner every 11 days https://www.aihw.gov.au/family-domestic-and-sexual-violence/responses-and-outcomes/domestic-homicide. In England and Wales it was 1 every 4-5 days between 2009/10 and 2021/22 if my math is right: https://www.statista.com/statistics/288298/female-victims-of-homicide-england-and-wales-by-relationship-to-offender Although you'd need to divide those numbers by population to get a more appropriate comparison. Couldn't find what the rate was in the US handily, but I'm sure the data exists.
True though this is, it is sad, but not relevant to the topic. We are discussing the fact that womens titles have lower standards, and it is unfair on men that we have to work so much harder to get a title a woman can get with very low elo.
@chesssblackbelt - how are you 20 points above the FIDE floor but 2100+ on this site? a blitz rating of 2100 is probably near to ~1900-2000 FIDE
@chesssblackbelt - how are you 20 points above the FIDE floor but 2100+ on this site? a blitz rating of 2100 is probably near to ~1900-2000 FIDE
lol, 1900-2000 is not 2100 blitz on this site for most people. I think more like 1600-1700 FIDE.
it's really not. I know someone who is 2100 blitz and 2060 FIDE, and many more. 1600 FIDE is easy to get now days
fair enough. I'm trying to play as much blitz on here to get to 2k, but i estimate my strength to be maybe 200/300 points too low for now, but maybe i can just play and play until i get better.
True though this is, it is sad, but not relevant to the topic. We are discussing the fact that womens titles have lower standards, and it is unfair on men that we have to work so much harder to get a title a woman can get with very low elo.
What do you mean “not relevant”? Women are offered titles not for the purposes of fairness towards men but because they have and still are treated unfairly. If chess were actually a level playing field then they wouldn’t need their own titles, but it’s not - it’s how any sort of affirmative action works. If you don’t do anything, the existing entrenched structural disadvantages remain and they’ll never be addressed. See the last article I posted - only 6% of internationally rated players were women in 2001 rising to 15% in 2020. Here’s another article from just last year https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2023/10/05/parents-and-coaches-think-girls-have-less-potential-in-chess-according-to-new-study/#:~:text=New%20research%20has%20found%20real,cause%20for%20this%20gender%20disparity
True though this is, it is sad, but not relevant to the topic. We are discussing the fact that womens titles have lower standards, and it is unfair on men that we have to work so much harder to get a title a woman can get with very low elo.
What do you mean “not relevant”? Women are offered titles not for the purposes of fairness towards men but because they have and still are treated unfairly. If chess were actually a level playing field then they wouldn’t need their own titles, but it’s not - it’s how any sort of affirmative action works. If you don’t do anything, the existing entrenched structural disadvantages remain and they’ll never be addressed. See the last article I posted - only 6% of internationally rated players were women in 2001 rising to 15% in 2020. Here’s another article from just last year https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2023/10/05/parents-and-coaches-think-girls-have-less-potential-in-chess-according-to-new-study/#:~:text=New%20research%20has%20found%20real,cause%20for%20this%20gender%20disparity
Women have had their own World Chess Championship for the last 100 years. Judit Polgar is the only woman in history to have a rating over 2700. There are no current women in the top 100 in the world and you sit there and act like men are the only reason women can't compete at the top levels. If Judit Polgar had your attitude of "Oh poor is me I'm just a female being kept down by all the sexist men," she would have never accomplished what she did. If women want equality let them play in tournaments and compete one on one without constantly making excuses.
Men bashing gets old.
it's like the arena titles. if chess.com aren't including them why are they including woman titles?
Because Arena is a different playing pool and it uses a different rating system, genius.
Now feel free to go and open some more fake accounts to support your claim.
I think all women's and men's titles are unneccessary.
Rating is completely enough.
Just don't think too hard- you may blow some capacitors.
I think all women's and men's titles are unneccessary.
Rating is completely enough.
Just don't think too hard- you may blow some capacitors.
But you do realize Basque Country exists only in your brain, right? LOL
It is an indication that I like txakoli.
So what? If only 15% of FIDE rated players are women, that's their problem. This shouldn't go to the fact that they now have it easier on them, and to a point where they get privileges that males can't. A very small number of players that are highly rated on FIDE are black, but do we have a Black candidate master tile? Or a Black Grandmaster title? No! So why is this different in the fact that women can get titles men can't???
it's like the arena titles. if chess.com aren't including them why are they including woman titles?
Because Arena is a different playing pool and it uses a different rating system, genius.
Now feel free to go and open some more fake accounts to support your claim.
Point one - there's no need to comment like that - it's disrespectful and I clearly have not opened any more fake accounts - this one is four years old...
Point two - What's the difference with women then? They have Women's tournaments, which is a different playing field to men!
Point two - What's the difference with women then? They have Women's tournaments, which is a different playing field to men!
Youth Championships, Senior Championships, Women Championships, National Championships and Cups, Amateur Championships, all use the FIDE rating system and the same playing rules, excluding some differences in time controls. Participations are restricted according to age, genre, nationality, or rating, but they do not belong to a "different playing field".
Who knows, one of these days you might get enlightened and understand this...