I think the WCM title should not be given out anymore

Ever since the Derry girls joined them

This thread is just so strange.

Female titles exist since the 1950s ?

Even back then people realized that hardly any women played chess, so they tried to motivate them.

And its literally just a title. It gives ZERO extra priviledges. Nobody thinks a WGM is the same as a GM. Or anything like that.

This is incorrect.

The WCM title is generally awarded to female players who reach 2000 FIDE. That's about my strength (I'm 2300+ on here).

To call that an "intermediate" player is simply wrong ...

Perhaps you're talking about chess.com ratings, because 2200 FIDE is a Candidate Master ...

Even on chess.com, its AFAIK supposed to be like this:

400 - new to chess

800 - beginner

1200 - intermediate

1600 - advanced

2000 - expert

Except for Dina.

Having the same strength is not the same thing as facing disadvantages. That is in fact the entire point: women could be just as strong chess players as men but are not because of the disadvantages they experience from quite a young age.

It's not just in chess - society is in many ways still hostile towards the equal treatment of women. I posted some of that stuff earlier which you dismissed as irrelevant - obviously, since as a man you haven't faced any of those disadvantages yourself. Try listening to women instead of assuming things on their behalf. That was the point of some of the links I posted earlier, which I will post again now

https://chessdailynews.com/why-is-there-a-need-for-girls-or-womens-tournaments/

https://lichess.org/blog/X9i1gRUAAJzOKpd0/invisible-pieces-women-in-chess

https://en.chessbase.com/post/why-chess-tournaments-can-be-hostile-for-women-and-girls

https://theconversation.com/whats-behind-the-gender-imbalance-in-top-level-chess-150637

Well yes. there are intermediate players with a WCM title, for example lularobs

Some tournaments offer titles if you acheive a certain performance in it - this is how players earn titles with lower Elos.

It isn't just female events though - it happens with general titles, too. You'll find male players with titles who are also lower-rated, for the same reason.

She earned hers for a 1500 performance rating....

This exactly. Surely this isn't the standard for a FIDE title!

FIDE awards a CM/WCM title if you score 50% in an Olympiad. AFAIK, Roberts scored 40%, plus one of her opponents failed to show up, giving her a default victory, which gave her 50%.

Male players recieve the same option. If you score 50% in an Olympiad, you'll be granted a CM title ...

What olympiad are you talking about?

The 44th chess Olympiad in India held in 2022.

People have always been able to earn titles at official events with relatively low ratings - some people earned the GM title that way. She’s from a very small federation which is how she managed to earn representation - the individual federations also define their own requirements for their National Master title.

Her example is an inspiration and an encouragement for young women to get into chess. She loves the game and she promotes it amongst her followers and peers. She’s also spoken about the harassment she faced at chess events, showing that women are still being discriminated against by the game - maybe not officially but certainly practically.

Yes but we're lowering the standards of "master with this". Like I've said before, even my blitz rating is higher than hers! How is someone ranked 290 000th in the world a master??!!

Because the title is not awarded for your blitz rating - it’s awarded for your OTB performance in an official FIDE event, which she has achieved. If and when you achieve that, you will get a title too. You could move to the island of Jersey yourself and see if you can play well enough to represent them at the next Olympiad.

still, a 1400 performance rating and a 40% score is not title worthy

heck even I (a bum) could perform at 1400 for an event if I'm on a good day...

She’s the #1 ranked woman from Jersey with FIDE - sure, if she was from a larger federation, she wouldn’t have earned representation at the Olympiad, but you’re effectively saying that the Olympiad should have a minimum rating cut off, which means some of these smaller countries wouldn’t be able to field a team at all. You can go and make that case to FIDE if you like but it’s how the rules are and she earned it, just the same as how Alireja Firouzja earned his place in the Candidates’ tournament.

Btw her title is a conditional one - she doesn’t actually “get” it until she reaches a FIDE rating of 1800