I think the WCM title should not be given out anymore

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Mazetoskylo wrote:
Velocity wrote:

Point two - What's the difference with women then? They have Women's tournaments, which is a different playing field to men!

Youth Championships, Senior Championships, Women Championships, National Championships and Cups, Amateur Championships, all use the FIDE rating system and the same playing rules, excluding some differences in time controls. Participations are restricted according to age, genre, nationality, or rating, but they do not belong to a "different playing field".

Who knows, one of these days you might get enlightened and understand this...

Youth Championships and Senior Championships, are available because they obviously are at a stage in life where there is a hndicap in playing strength. You are advancing the belief that women are inherently weaker and must have their own category. Even if that were true it wouldn't make anyone superior or inferior. What is offensive is implying men want to purposely hold women back.

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premio53 wrote:
Mazetoskylo wrote:
Velocity wrote:

Point two - What's the difference with women then? They have Women's tournaments, which is a different playing field to men!

Youth Championships, Senior Championships, Women Championships, National Championships and Cups, Amateur Championships, all use the FIDE rating system and the same playing rules, excluding some differences in time controls. Participations are restricted according to age, genre, nationality, or rating, but they do not belong to a "different playing field".

Who knows, one of these days you might get enlightened and understand this...

Youth Championships and Senior Championships are available because they obviously are at a stage in life where there is a hndicap in playing strength. You are advancing the belief that women are inherently weaker and must have their own category. Even if that were true it wouldn't make anyone superior or inferior. What is offensive is implying men want to purposely hold women back.

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Velocity wrote:

So what? If only 15% of FIDE rated players are women, that's their problem. This shouldn't go to the fact that they now have it easier on them, and to a point where they get privileges that males can't.

You need to stack up these "privileges" against the disadvantages they face in the game, as amply demonstrated by your post right there.

Velocity wrote:

A very small number of players that are highly rated on FIDE are black, but do we have a Black candidate master tile? Or a Black Grandmaster title? No! So why is this different in the fact that women can get titles men can't???

Women are 50% of the population in most places around the world, whereas ethnicity varies by geographic location - yes, we should be encouraging more people of all ethnicities to participate in chess, but that's by encouraging the game in those countries. A great example is the growth of the game in India. You know one of the reasons for that? Representation: people can see examples to aspire to, people like them.

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David wrote:
Velocity wrote:

So what? If only 15% of FIDE rated players are women, that's their problem. This shouldn't go to the fact that they now have it easier on them, and to a point where they get privileges that males can't.

You need to stack up these "privileges" against the disadvantages they face in the game, as amply demonstrated by your post right there.

Velocity wrote:

A very small number of players that are highly rated on FIDE are black, but do we have a Black candidate master tile? Or a Black Grandmaster title? No! So why is this different in the fact that women can get titles men can't???

Women are 50% of the population in most places around the world, whereas ethnicity varies by geographic location - yes, we should be encouraging more people of all ethnicities to participate in chess, but that's by encouraging the game in those countries. A great example is the growth of the game in India. You know one of the reasons for that? Representation: people can see examples to aspire to, people like them.

Isn't Africa pretty big? It might be near 50% of the world idk.

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chesssblackbelt wrote:

Isn't Africa pretty big? It might be near 50% of the world idk.

Population-wise? Not even close https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continents_and_continental_subregions_by_population

Asia 4,694,576,167 59.4%
Africa 1,393,676,444 17.6%
Europe 745,173,774 9.4%
North America 595,783,465 7.5%
South America 434,254,119 5.5%
Oceania 44,491,724 0.6%
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Oh my school is like 50% Africans so I thought it would be more idk

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chesssblackbelt wrote:

Oh my school is like 50% Africans so I thought it would be more idk

"Black" isn't limited to continents. You'd have to check what % of the population of each continent is "black" (after defining what you mean by "black").

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No I mean they're mostly Nigerians

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Velocity wrote:

... women can get titles men can't???

A female-specific chess title is completely different from general chess titles.

I'm not sure why this should be a concern for anyone.

Nothing is preventing you from earning a general chess title yourself - except your own ability. Female titles certainly aren't impeding you in any way ...

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MaetsNori wrote:
Velocity wrote:

... women can get titles men can't???

A female-specific chess title is completely different from general chess titles.

I'm not sure why this should be a concern for anyone.

Nothing is preventing you from earning a general chess title yourself - except your own ability. Female titles certainly aren't impeding you in any way ...

TICCPROW

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I don't agree

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Mazetoskylo wrote:
Velocity wrote:

Point two - What's the difference with women then? They have Women's tournaments, which is a different playing field to men!

Youth Championships, Senior Championships, Women Championships, National Championships and Cups, Amateur Championships, all use the FIDE rating system and the same playing rules, excluding some differences in time controls. Participations are restricted according to age, genre, nationality, or rating, but they do not belong to a "different playing field".

Who knows, one of these days you might get enlightened and understand this...

And what would happen if there was a men only tournament, or a men only title! Imagine the reaction!

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David wrote:
Velocity wrote:

So what? If only 15% of FIDE rated players are women, that's their problem. This shouldn't go to the fact that they now have it easier on them, and to a point where they get privileges that males can't.

You need to stack up these "privileges" against the disadvantages they face in the game, as amply demonstrated by your post right there.

Velocity wrote:

A very small number of players that are highly rated on FIDE are black, but do we have a Black candidate master tile? Or a Black Grandmaster title? No! So why is this different in the fact that women can get titles men can't???

Women are 50% of the population in most places around the world, whereas ethnicity varies by geographic location - yes, we should be encouraging more people of all ethnicities to participate in chess, but that's by encouraging the game in those countries. A great example is the growth of the game in India. You know one of the reasons for that? Representation: people can see examples to aspire to, people like them.

But they don't face disadvantages - they have just the same strength as men!

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Velocity wrote:

And what would happen if there was a men only tournament, or a men only title! Imagine the reaction!

But they don't face disadvantages - they have just the same strength as men!

And who said chivalry was dead. My hero.

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Luke-Jaywalker wrote:

those uk girls sound quite rough.

Ever since the Derry girls joined them

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Luke-Jaywalker wrote:

those uk girls sound quite rough.

I know a girl who beat up this guy at school the other month.

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Yeah fighting is a lot to do with confidence. He was bigger but he didn't want to fight and she did so he lost.

It's because he called her a lesbian online lol.

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This thread is just so strange.

Female titles exist since the 1950s ?

Even back then people realized that hardly any women played chess, so they tried to motivate them.

And its literally just a title. It gives ZERO extra priviledges. Nobody thinks a WGM is the same as a GM. Or anything like that.

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Dr-XX wrote:

... this WCM title is basically given to any woman who is an intermediate player at that given time

This is incorrect.

The WCM title is generally awarded to female players who reach 2000 FIDE. That's about my strength (I'm 2300+ on here).

To call that an "intermediate" player is simply wrong ...

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TheKrugingDunnerEffect wrote:
MaetsNori wrote:
Dr-XX wrote:

... this WCM title is basically given to any woman who is an intermediate player at that given time

This is incorrect.

The WCM title is generally awarded to female players who reach 2000 FIDE. That's about my strength (I'm 2300+ on here).

To call that an "intermediate" player is simply wrong ...

From my POV, 1600-2200 is intermediate.

Perhaps you're talking about chess.com ratings, because 2200 FIDE is a Candidate Master ...