I think the WCM title should not be given out anymore

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Konaekkk

Alireza earned his place by going 8/8 in an open tournament where he also faced a 2600, the alireza road to candidates tournament didnt get verified by fide, on the other hand dominguez also tried to make it through an open tournament and got a couple of draws until he left not to lose any more rating. The two cases are completely different...

David
Btw there’s only 8 men from Jersey with an active FIDE rating, ranging from 2079 to 1735, so if you think you’re good enough, you could try moving there and giving it a shot. Although you’d have to win at least 40% of your games at the Olympiad, so who knows? https://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml?tops=0&ina=1&country=JCI
David
Ah yes, the open tournament that consisted of mostly inactive GMs - completely within the rules but not exactly “earning” the rating boost he got from it, eh? No, that’s completely different
Konaekkk
David έγραψε:
Btw there’s only 8 men from Jersey with an active FIDE rating, ranging from 2079 to 1735, so if you think you’re good enough, you could try moving there and giving it a shot. Although you’d have to win at least 40% of your games at the Olympiad, so who knows? https://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml?tops=0&ina=1&country=JCI

I'm clearly not atleast 1735 yet so I would be the worst player in Jersey happy.png

Velocity

Well, it doesn't matter the strength around her, but I believe titles should not be awarded if a performance rating is as low as 1400, plus she has got the title as it's on her chess.com, her FIDE and in all tournaments.

Konaekkk

Image if they let anyone become a "Master" of chess...

David
She’s not “anyone” - she’s represented her country at an Olympiad and won 4 out of her 10 games. That’s a pretty good job in my book and well done - I hope she continues to improve so that her title isn’t conditional any more. She posted an analysis of one of the games she played at the Olympiad a few weeks ago and has clearly learned heaps since then. It’s an encouragement to others that they can get better at chess too, whereas saying “she doesn’t deserve it” is just discouraging all around
Velocity
Konaekkk wrote:

Image if they let anyone become a "Master" of chess...

As long as you're a woman, they are

David
chesssblackbelt wrote:

Are you talking about the lady who's 1400? I'm sorry but she doesn't deserve a title.

I'm not titled but could beat her 100 out of 100 times.

Have you represented your country at a chess Olympiad and won 4 out of 10 games there? That sounds pretty deserving to me, as it does to FIDE, although it’s a conditional title until she reaches a FIDE rating of 1800

Konaekkk

they removed the conditional recently, hence she got the title

MaetsNori
Velocity wrote:
Konaekkk wrote:

Image if they let anyone become a "Master" of chess...

As long as you're a woman, they are

This seems to be more of an issue that you have with the FIDE rule. Pulling gender into it is just muddying the water.

Again, a male player can earn a CM title for accomplishing the same thing - 50% in an Olympiad - even if their rating is hypothetically 1200 ...

Konaekkk

tbh if a 1200 beat naka magnus and fabi they would be rated like 2000 after the event

Velocity
MaetsNori wrote:
Velocity wrote:
Konaekkk wrote:

Image if they let anyone become a "Master" of chess...

As long as you're a woman, they are

This seems to be more of an issue that you have with the FIDE rule. Pulling gender into it is just muddying the water.

Again, a male player can earn a CM title for accomplishing the same thing - 50% in an Olympiad - even if their rating is hypothetically 1200 ...

If a male player did that, I'd complain!

Velocity
chesssblackbelt wrote:

I'm fine with women titles, but as long as it's above 2000 fide or it gets silly

Hmm, but is it really fine that a woman can become a "Grandmaster" at 2300 just because she's a woman?

Velocity

so whats the point if its not a GM. Its discrimination

David

The Olympiad is a tournament at which you represent your country. Your country chooses you. Jersey chose her as its first board and she won 4 out of 10 games. If you’re dismissive of that, well, you need to get your country to select you to represent them at an Olympiad and then win 4 out of 10 games there as well. Until then it just sounds like sour grapes from you

Jenium

Hmm... I wonder whether the inofficial NM or WNM title might be a more appropriate title as the achievement of competing in the Olympiad seems to be more of national importance...

David
chesssblackbelt wrote:

I have family from Guernsey. Can I just enter and demolish everyone and get titled?

Should be simple, right? But Tallulah Roberts has actually put in the work rather than just post empty words on a forum. You’re like the people who sit on the sidelines saying “I could have done that. But, oh my back, oh I’m too busy, oh whatever blah blah blah”, full of a bunch of excuses for not actually going and trying to do it. I’d love you to prove me wrong, tell you what, I’ll gift a diamond membership to a person of your choice if you even just get to an Olympiad. If you earn a title, you won’t need it for yourself since chess.com will give you free diamond membership like it does for all titled players that apply. PS You probably shouldn’t tell the chess federation of Jersey that they’re not really a country but English, as I don’t think that’s going to encourage them to select you to represent them at a chess Olympiad…

dsanchez1973

No matter what title you talk about, there's someone who believes you don't really deserve it.

I'm a NM? there's thousands of NMs here who look at my game and think "it's embarrassing I have the same title as that joker"

I'm a GM? I'm sure Hikaru is looking at my 2503 FIDE and saying "that is allegedly my peer? this is outlandish"

I'm a former FIDE world champ like Khalifman? Kasparov calls me a tourist.

I'm current world champ Ding Liren? I bet Carlsen sits in his mansion laughing hysterically at the idea that this dude was given the title.

Who cares what anyone calls themselves? I only applied for the official title so I could get the titled player benefits here. There's no 1400 CM woman out there making bank from that title and neither would you if you had it.

David
chesssblackbelt wrote:

Idk why it is allowed. Does anyone have a list of opponents she beat. I'm guessing she only beat people from other small British islands like Guernsey?

lol - you really don’t believe in doing any work at all, even when it’s just searching for stuff that’s available on the internet? Maybe I should ask you to also give away a diamond membership if you don’t participate in an Olympiad in say, the next 5 years or the Olympiad after the next one, whatever is longer. Are you game or are you just hot air?

https://www.sasostrategic.com/post/jersey-s-first-ever-ladies-team-achieve-admirable-results-in-the-44th-chess-olympiad

https://chess-results.com/tnr653632.aspx?lan=1&art=20&fed=JCI&flag=30