idea for a new chess.com feature

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gochess3447

Hello

One of the things that makes chess a great game is the fact that one can play with handicap, for example a handicap of a knight or a bishop, and then play as an equal competitor to the less experienced opponent.

In reallife, one can simply remove a piece from the board, whereas on Chess.com it is impossible. You could make it an optional feature, like "play with handicap".

It would be great if someone wanted to play a less experienced friend, but still have an equal chance of winning.

Thanks in advance

-Jonathan

Dragec

just search the forums for "handicap" , this theme is recurring here. Cool

gochess3447

Come on, it's not approved yet, and so the staff should be made aware of. It would give Chess.com yet another advantage when compared to other chess websites.

It's a great idea, really. I can't believe it hasn't been approved yet.

Pat_Zerr

I think there is a handicap of sorts, at least when it comes to ratings.  If you win against a lower-rated player, your rating doesn't go up that much, but if you lose against them, it goes down a lot.

gochess3447
bobbyDK wrote:
JonathanWaagnerJesse wrote:

Come on, it's not approved yet, and so the staff should be made aware of. It would give Chess.com yet another advantage when compared to other chess websites.

It's a great idea, really. I can't believe it hasn't been approved yet.


 det er ikke det de siger. Du skal blot ikke oprette forspørgelsen under Generelle spørgsmål. selve indlægget skal addresseres til "Site and feedback. gruppen" hvor man også kan diskutere det.


Jeg ved godt hvad de siger. Indlægget er beklageligvis i general chess discussion, men udelukker det en debat om ideen?

I stedet for at beklage sig endnu en gang over dette tilfælde burde man komme med en reel tilføjelse til debatten. Det er ikke verdens undergang at debatten er skrevet i den forkerte sektion af forummet. 

gochess3447
N2UHC wrote:

I think there is a handicap of sorts, at least when it comes to ratings.  If you win against a lower-rated player, your rating doesn't go up that much, but if you lose against them, it goes down a lot.


That's not a handicap, that's the rating system. A handicap would be if a player removed a knight from the board, and played without it against an opponent with less experience.

You can do that in real-life on a physical chessboard, but not on Chess.com. It would be a nice feature to have.

That way, you would have the opportunity of playing online with a friend of less experience, and still have a fun, challenging game.

gochess3447
OmarCayenne wrote:

Or gosh, you might even call it "odds" (whoa, I think I just invented something there).


Does it really matter whether I use the word "handicap" instead of "odds"? It's the same thing.

bobbyDK
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gochess3447
bobbyDK wrote:

I think playing with handicap is the wrong way to progress as a beginner in chess.

because if you are playing with a bishop against a piece less you get the idea that trading of pieces is the best strategy in chess because the more you trade off the better you stand in generel.

I know it is not that easy of course. try playing against "computer work out" under learn here you can to play with handicap against the computer.

so for fun the functionality could be there. But I strongly advise beginners not to take part in it.

Of course you'll know the situation is different in a game without a player playing with handicap.

I am not talking about playing against a computer. Clearly, you're not even reading my posts. I don't get either why you suddenly shift over to writing demonstrative English.

The option would be there for a player who wanted to play against a friend of less experience. A such game would be for the sake of fun, and both would have a challenging and fun game, as opposed to a game played without handicap, where the experienced player would simply steamroll the opponent.

It's a genius functionality, that makes chess a playable game for people with hundreds of points in rating difference.

And of course beginners could take part in it, if they wanted to play a friend with more experience and still have a chance of winning. That's the entire point of it.

bobbyDK
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gochess3447
bobbyDK wrote:

another issue playing against someone not that strong and you play with handicap and he wins you may give him some confidence and he'll think of it as great fun and that is a good thing.

But what if he loses 3 times in a row even a bishop down. won't he be kind of sad.

and doesn't that signal to him you are so bad that I can beat you easily?

I think the best thing is to play with equal pieces no matter who the opponent is and win all time and give him feedback what he did wrong.

Your posts are a goddamn disgrace, it's almost as if I would have to make a two hour documentary just for you for you to understand the concept of this idea. You're clearly not grasping the point of it.

The less experienced player would not necessarily want to improve, he would just play a game with an opponent playing with handicap, and have a chance of winning against his stronger friend.

If he's just playing for the fun of it, and he has no ambitions of becoming a grandmaster, he should have the option to do that.

Also, my guess is that the less experienced player would love to play against an opponent he know he would lose against (irony). He would propably love it so much, that he wouldn't play with the person. A handicap function would give both the players a more entertaining game.

Dragec

Odds are common thing when playing against beginners, at least it was when I learned the game.

I started playing against my brother without both rooks (or without a queen), then without a single rook, then without a knight, and finally when he improved, we played a chess without odds.

If I did not give him the odds, the game would be boring for him.

TheGrobe

These would be incredibly easy to implement within the existing pre-set opening position list (as any piece-odds position can be reached from the starting position with just a little knight maneuvering).  I'm really surprised that this has yet to be done.

These would, of course, have to be unrated games though.

artfizz
Dragec wrote: just search the forums for "handicap" , this theme is recurring here.

OK, I just did that ...

playing-children

handicapped-games

handicap-game-setup

removing-pieces-as-a-handicap

starting-a-handicaped-game

time-controls-handicap

guidelines-for-time-handicap

handicapping-systems---levelling-the-playing-field

pet-handicapping

gochess3447

surprising that Chess.com has chosen to pass this by -it's a good idea.

artfizz
JonathanWaagnerJesse wrote:

surprising that Chess.com has chosen to pass this by -it's a good idea.


It's a contentious issue: some people like it; others loathe it.

TAKEBACK is a related, paradigm shifting feature - that took a while to be implemented.

As TheGrobe mentioned, you can already start a game from one of a few thousand classical positions, and that game is not required to be unrated! So if you can find an easy-going opponent, you can currently play a game with odds.

Neither non-standard starting positions nor takebacks are recorded in the Move History or Notes - so there's no indication after the game has finished that one side had an advantage. I feel this omission could lead to subsequent disagreements.