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njzuraw13 wrote:
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Naturally, I didn't draw any conclusion at four.

But the 160 IQ?

Even 140's have a high enough cognitive ability to re-examine a conversation

My IQ's higher than 160. I've had a lot of arguments with btickler and of course, he won every one of them.

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Which shows that it's useless to set much store by your IQ.

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njzuraw13 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Naturally, I didn't draw any conclusion at four.

But the 160 IQ?

Even 140's have a high enough cognitive ability to re-examine a conversation

My IQ's higher than 160. I've had a lot of arguments with btickler and of course, he won every one of them.

This is unrelated to my point

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Well what was your point? I didn't notice one so probably need to have it explained to me.

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Well what was your point? I didn't notice one so probably need to have it explained to me.

My point was I don't believe you've had a reliable IQ test with a result higher than 160. I made that point by stating "even 140's have the cognitive abilities to re-examine a conversation."

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Both good poets but I have a particular love for WW1 poets.

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njzuraw13 wrote:
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Well what was your point? I didn't notice one so probably need to have it explained to me.

My point was I don't believe you've had a reliable IQ test with a result higher than 160. I made that point by stating "even 140's have the cognitive abilities to re-examine a conversation."

But you didn't make that point in any way. In what way do you think that "even 140's have the cognitive abilities to re-examine a conversation" makes a point that you have now explained but which you didn't explain at the time? Can you please detail your premises and logical steps? For instance, what does "re-examine a conversation" mean to you and in what way have I indicated to you that I didn't take certain cognitive steps which you believe would be absolutely required of a person of IQ>140 or so? I'm really interested in the assumptions you've made; some of which might be correct ones, for all I know.

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Both good poets but I have a particular love for WW1 poets.

Yes, I can understand. I have some poetry books which include WWI poets. I also collect autographs, among many other things that I have. But I was reading some Sasoon recently.

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njzuraw13 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Well what was your point? I didn't notice one so probably need to have it explained to me.

My point was I don't believe you've had a reliable IQ test with a result higher than 160. I made that point by stating "even 140's have the cognitive abilities to re-examine a conversation."

But you didn't make that point in any way. In what way do you think that "even 140's have the cognitive abilities to re-examine a conversation" makes a point that you have now explained but which you didn't explain at the time? Can you please detail your premises and logical steps? For instance, what does "re-examine a conversation" mean to you and in what way have I indicated to you that I didn't take certain cognitive steps which you believe would be absolutely required of a person of IQ>140 or so? I'm really interested in the assumptions you've made; some of which might be correct ones, for all I know.

The phrase "even... can..." is used to show that people with lower levels of skill or ability can do something, usually in an insulting manner "Even a brain-damaged chimpanzee can crank a 90"

Furthermore, re-examining a conversation was a poor way of expressing my point, a better phrasing would be "has the cognitive ability to question someone's distaste" referring to you having not been given reason as to why. 

I didn't explain it at the time because I assumed you had at least a basic understanding of English syntax. Even being used as "used as an intensive to stress an extreme or highly unlikely condition or instanceso simple even a child can do it" -Merriam-Webster

All this was said because, even at four, someone with a decently high IQ could understand not accept something just because it was said.

 

 

 

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njzuraw13 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
njzuraw13 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Well what was your point? I didn't notice one so probably need to have it explained to me.

My point was I don't believe you've had a reliable IQ test with a result higher than 160. I made that point by stating "even 140's have the cognitive abilities to re-examine a conversation."

But you didn't make that point in any way. In what way do you think that "even 140's have the cognitive abilities to re-examine a conversation" makes a point that you have now explained but which you didn't explain at the time? Can you please detail your premises and logical steps? For instance, what does "re-examine a conversation" mean to you and in what way have I indicated to you that I didn't take certain cognitive steps which you believe would be absolutely required of a person of IQ>140 or so? I'm really interested in the assumptions you've made; some of which might be correct ones, for all I know.

The phrase "even... can..." is used to show that people with lower levels of skill or ability can do something, usually in an insulting manner "Even a brain-damaged chimpanzee can crank a 90"

Furthermore, re-examining a conversation was a poor way of expressing my point, a better phrasing would be "has the cognitive ability to question someone's distaste" referring to you having not been given reason as to why. 

I didn't explain it at the time because I assumed you had at least a basic understanding of English syntax. Even being used as "used as an intensive to stress an extreme or highly unlikely condition or instanceso simple even a child can do it" -Merriam-Webster

All this was said because, even at four, someone with a decently high IQ could understand not accept something just because it was said.

 

 

 

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Einstein said that chess is a waste of time.

He was definitely too much of a genius to waste his talents on chess.

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Have you read any Wilfred Owen?. He is my favourite WW1 poet.

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I didn't mention my IQ here, which was professionally measured with a calibrated IQ test called the Schonell Test, when I was 9, nearly 10. btickler mentioned it, probably because he's negatively obsessed with the idea that someone can be cleverer than him although that isn't a particularly rare occurrence. I made the mistake of mentioning it a few years ago and he's like a dog with a particularly tasty bone, who keeps burying it and then digging it up. Anyway, it was confirmed as an adult in the 1970s.

That aside, and although you've had the good grace to answer my questions, I hope you don't mind if I criticise your ideas slightly. "Even .... can" isn't necessarily the prelude to insulting speech and I had no reason to assume that it might have been meant in an insulting way. I don't think there's a syntaxial judgement to make because all depends on what you meant by "re-examining a conversation" or to whom it might apply. I don't think that "has the cognitive ability to question someone's distaste" is any better. A four year old has no ideas of sexual misconduct and the disapprobation among others which can result. My home was a relatively happy one so neither would I have understood, at four, that people can be systematically cruel to others, as Einstein was, especially if they're members of his family. So no, I hadn't a clue because I wasn't given a clue. They just didn't like him at all. Apparently, the feeling was quite strong but that's all I knew.

Apparently, most people can't even remember much, if anything, from when they were four.

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Have you read any Wilfred Owen?. He is my favourite WW1 poet.

I think I have, Pam. If you'll excuse me, I'll Google him and see if I recognise anything.

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If Einstain was rated he would be no more than a good player, probably with ELO between 1500 and 2100.

He also used to ride a bicycle.
And if he were a cyclist, he could be compared to the current world champion, my idol, Julian Alaphilippe? I think not.
Einstein's talent was focused on Physics. In the rest of his activities he was reasonable.



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Hard to determine. Einstein was never a competitive chess player, and even then, his strengths were in science and physics. Even though he is called the "smartest human ever" is a) extremely controversial b) really only when it comes to science and c) does not correspond to an extremely high ELO rating. 

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I didn't mention my IQ here, which was professionally measured with a calibrated IQ test called the Schonell Test, when I was 9, nearly 10. btickler mentioned it, probably because he's negatively obsessed with the idea that someone can be cleverer than him although that isn't a particularly rare occurrence. I made the mistake of mentioning it a few years ago and he's like a dog with a particularly tasty bone, who keeps burying it and then digging it up. Anyway, it was confirmed as an adult in the 1970s.

That aside, and although you've had the good grace to answer my questions, I hope you don't mind if I criticise your ideas slightly. "Even .... can" isn't necessarily the prelude to insulting speech and I had no reason to assume that it might have been meant in an insulting way. I don't think there's a syntaxial judgement to make because all depends on what you meant by "re-examining a conversation" or to whom it might apply. I don't think that "has the cognitive ability to question someone's distaste" is any better. A four year old has no ideas of sexual misconduct and the disapprobation among others which can result. My home was a relatively happy one so neither would I have understood, at four, that people can be systematically cruel to others, as Einstein was, especially if they're members of his family. So no, I hadn't a clue because I wasn't given a clue. They just didn't like him at all. Apparently, the feeling was quite strong but that's all I knew.

Apparently, most people can't even remember much, if anything, from when they were four.

All I can find on the Schonell test is a reading/spelling test, if you could, please direct me to a source where I can read about it. 

I didn't say it necessarily preluded an insult, only that that was its most common use. It wasn't meant as insulting in that context, only as an example.

I wasn't referring to any sexual misconduct, I was referring to being told something with no given reason. I further clarified one sentence after your quotation.

When I was four my preschool teacher was Ms.Wall who had black hair, My PE teacher was Ms.Hiddleston who was rather short and had brown curly hair, My art teacher was an older woman named Mrs.spencer, and my Library teacher was Mr.axe who had glasses and short, spiked, fading brown hair. This is just to say people do remember stuff from the age of four, as I could continue for paragraphs of memories from the age of 4 specifically.

 

 

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PAM
I only buy autograph books if they're very cheap. A few years ago, I think it was in Crawley, with my wife, although it may have been Basingstoke. She was doing half a days work and we'd just come back from the Isle of Wight, where she also did half a days work and she wouldn't have done any if I hadn't managed to find the people concerned from just the postcode, but in the open air. Anyway, I had a look at the market. I think it was Basingstoke. There was a pile of autograph books from the Oswestry area. They started around 1919 and carried on to the 1950s. They were cheap because Oswestry is a long way from Basingstoke, so I bought them, and I'm pretty sure there were some Wilfred Owen poems in them. I read them all the way through because I like the way that these things seem to put me in touch with other people who are probably no longer with us. Obviously no Wilfred Owen autograph to go with the poetry! happy.png

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I have all his published work.

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njzuraw13 wrote:
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I didn't mention my IQ here, which was professionally measured with a calibrated IQ test called the Schonell Test, when I was 9, nearly 10. btickler mentioned it, probably because he's negatively obsessed with the idea that someone can be cleverer than him although that isn't a particularly rare occurrence. I made the mistake of mentioning it a few years ago and he's like a dog with a particularly tasty bone, who keeps burying it and then digging it up. Anyway, it was confirmed as an adult in the 1970s.

That aside, and although you've had the good grace to answer my questions, I hope you don't mind if I criticise your ideas slightly. "Even .... can" isn't necessarily the prelude to insulting speech and I had no reason to assume that it might have been meant in an insulting way. I don't think there's a syntaxial judgement to make because all depends on what you meant by "re-examining a conversation" or to whom it might apply. I don't think that "has the cognitive ability to question someone's distaste" is any better. A four year old has no ideas of sexual misconduct and the disapprobation among others which can result. My home was a relatively happy one so neither would I have understood, at four, that people can be systematically cruel to others, as Einstein was, especially if they're members of his family. So no, I hadn't a clue because I wasn't given a clue. They just didn't like him at all. Apparently, the feeling was quite strong but that's all I knew.

Apparently, most people can't even remember much, if anything, from when they were four.

All I can find on the Schonell test is a reading/spelling test, if you could, please direct me to a source where I can read about it. 

I didn't say it necessarily preluded an insult, only that that was its most common use. It wasn't meant as insulting in that context, only as an example.

I wasn't referring to any sexual misconduct, I was referring to being told something with no given reason. I further clarified one sentence after your quotation.

When I was four my preschool teacher was Ms.Wall who had black hair, My PE teacher was Ms.Hiddleston who was rather short and had brown curly hair, My art teacher was an older woman named Mrs.spencer, and my Library teacher was Mr.axe who had glasses and short, spiked, fading brown hair. This is just to say people do remember stuff from the age of four, as I could continue for paragraphs of memories from the age of 4 specifically.

 

 

I wouldn't know where to find a link. Your searching will be as good as mine. I did check up on the Schonell test some years ago and discovered that they didn't continue with the IQ testing. Bear in mind that it was early 1961. Good, I'm glad you have a good memory. Are you interested in IQ measurement and related things?